Kafka

Kafka
KafkaConceptsKafka
FactionStellaron Hunters
RarityRaritystrRaritystrRaritystrRaritystrRaritystr
PathClass Nihility
Combat TypesClass Lightning
Chinese徐慧
EnglishCheryl Texiera
Korean사문영
Japanese伊藤静
Character Materials
Credit308K
Thief's Instinct15
Usurper's Scheme15
Shape Shifter's Lightning Staff65
Conqueror's Will15
Trace Materials
Credit3M
Obsidian of Dread18
Thief's Instinct41
Obsidian of Desolation69
Usurper's Scheme56
Obsidian of Obsession139
Conqueror's Will58
Regret of Infinite Ochema12
Tracks of Destiny8
StoryA member of the Stellaron Hunters. A dashing, collected, and professional beauty.
Used the enchantment of Spirit Whisper to set up Trailblazer to absorb the Stellaron.
Her hobby is shopping for and organizing her collection of coats.

Table of Contents
Stats
Skill
Traces
Eidolons
Light Cones
Inventory
Gallery
Voice
Story

Stats

LevelATKDEFHPSPDCRIT RateCRIT DMGTauntEnergyCharacter Materials
192.4661481005%50%100120
20180.18128.72881005%50%100120
Credit4000
Thief's Instinct5
20+217.14155.13471005%50%100120
30263.34188.14211005%50%100120
Credit8000
Thief's Instinct10
30+300.3214.54801005%50%100120
40346.5247.55541005%50%100120
Credit16000
Usurper's Scheme6
Shape Shifter's Lightning Staff3
40+383.46273.96141005%50%100120
50429.66306.96871005%50%100120
Credit40000
Usurper's Scheme9
Shape Shifter's Lightning Staff7
50+466.62333.37471005%50%100120
60512.82366.38211005%50%100120
Credit80000
Conqueror's Will6
Shape Shifter's Lightning Staff20
60+549.78392.78801005%50%100120
70595.98425.79541005%50%100120
Credit160K
Conqueror's Will9
Shape Shifter's Lightning Staff35
70+632.94452.110131005%50%100120
80679.14485.110871005%50%100120
LevelCharacter Materials
1
20
Credit4000
Thief's Instinct5
20+
40
Credit16000
Usurper's Scheme6
Shape Shifter's Lightning Staff3
40+
50
Credit40000
Usurper's Scheme9
Shape Shifter's Lightning Staff7
50+
60
Credit80000
Conqueror's Will6
Shape Shifter's Lightning Staff20
60+
70
Credit160K
Conqueror's Will9
Shape Shifter's Lightning Staff35
70+
80

Skill

Midnight TumultMidnight Tumult - Basic ATK | Single Target
Energy Regeneration : 20
Weakness Break : Single Target : 30
Deals Lightning DMG equal to of Kafka's ATK to a single enemy.

Deals minor Lightning DMG to a single enemy.
Level 10
Caressing MoonlightCaressing Moonlight - Skill | Blast
Energy Regeneration : 30
Weakness Break : Single Target : 60 / Blast : 30
Deals Lightning DMG equal to of Kafka's ATK to a target enemy and Lightning DMG equal to of Kafka's ATK to enemies adjacent to it.
If the target enemy is currently receiving DoT, all DoTs currently placed on that enemy immediately produce DMG equal to of their original DMG.

Deals Lightning DMG to a single enemy and minor Lightning DMG to adjacent targets.
If the primary target is currently afflicted with a DoT effect, the DoT deals DMG 1 extra time.
Level 15
Twilight TrillTwilight Trill - Ultimate | AoE
Energy Regeneration : 5
Weakness Break : AoE : 60
Deals Lightning DMG equal to of Kafka's ATK to all enemies, with a base chance for enemies hit to become Shocked and immediately take DMG from their current Shock state, equal to of its original DMG. Shock lasts for turn(s).
While Shocked, enemies receive Lightning DoT equal to of Kafka's ATK at the beginning of each turn.

Deals minor Lightning DMG to all enemies, with a high chance of Shocking them.
If the enemies are currently Shocked, the Shock status deals DMG 1 extra time.
Level 15
Gentle but CruelGentle but Cruel - Talent | Single Target
Energy Regeneration : 10
Weakness Break : Single Target : 30
After Kafka's teammate uses Basic ATK on an enemy target, Kafka immediately launches Follow-up ATK and deals Lightning DMG equal to of her ATK to that target, with a base chance to inflict Shock equivalent to that applied by her Ultimate to the attacked enemy target, lasting for turns. This effect can only be triggered 1 time per turn.

After a teammate uses Basic ATK on an enemy, Kafka immediately launches Follow-up ATK and deals Lightning DMG with a high chance of inflicting Shock to that target. This effect can only be triggered 1 time per turn.
Level 15
AttackAttack
Energy Regeneration : 0
Weakness Break : Single Target : 30
Attacks an enemy, and when the battle starts, reduces their Toughness of the corresponding Type.

Level 1
Mercy Is Not ForgivenessMercy Is Not Forgiveness - Technique
Energy Regeneration : 0
Weakness Break : Single Target : 60
Immediately attacks all enemies within a set range. After entering battle, deals Lightning DMG equal to of Kafka's ATK to all enemies, with a base chance to inflict Shock equivalent to that applied by her Ultimate on every enemy target for turn(s).

Attacks all enemies within range. After entering battle, deals minor Lightning DMG to all enemies, with a high chance to Shock them.
Level 1

Traces

TortureTorture
Requires Character Ascension 2
When the Ultimate is used, enemy targets will now receive DMG immediately from all currently applied DoT sources instead of just receiving DMG immediately from the currently applied Shock state.
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Obsidian of Dread3
Regret of Infinite Ochema1
Effect Hit Rate BoostEffect Hit Rate Boost (Effect Hit Rate)
Requires Character Ascension 2
Effect Hit Rate increases by 4%
Credit5000
Obsidian of Dread3
Thief's Instinct6
ATK BoostATK Boost (ATK)
Requires Character Ascension 3
ATK increases by 4%
Credit10000
Obsidian of Desolation3
Usurper's Scheme3
HP BoostHP Boost (HP)
Requires Character Ascension 3
Max HP increases by 4%
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Obsidian of Desolation3
Usurper's Scheme3
PlunderPlunder
Requires Character Ascension 4
If an enemy is defeated while Shocked, Kafka additionally regenerates 5 Energy.
Credit20000
Obsidian of Desolation5
Tracks of Destiny1
Regret of Infinite Ochema1
ATK BoostATK Boost (ATK)
Requires Character Ascension 4
ATK increases by 6%
Credit20000
Obsidian of Desolation5
Usurper's Scheme4
Effect Hit Rate BoostEffect Hit Rate Boost (Effect Hit Rate)
Requires Character Ascension 5
Effect Hit Rate increases by 6%
Credit45000
Obsidian of Obsession3
Conqueror's Will3
ATK BoostATK Boost (ATK)
Requires Character Ascension 5
ATK increases by 6%
Credit45000
Obsidian of Obsession3
Conqueror's Will3
ThornsThorns
Requires Character Ascension 6
The base chance for target enemies to be Shocked by the Ultimate, the Technique, and the Talent-triggered Follow-up ATK increases by 30%.
Credit160K
Obsidian of Obsession8
Tracks of Destiny1
Regret of Infinite Ochema1
HP BoostHP Boost (HP)
Requires Character Ascension 6
Max HP increases by 6%
Credit160K
Obsidian of Obsession8
Conqueror's Will8
Effect Hit Rate BoostEffect Hit Rate Boost (Effect Hit Rate)
Requires Character Lv. 75
Effect Hit Rate increases by 8%
Credit160K
Obsidian of Obsession8
Conqueror's Will8
ATK BoostATK Boost (ATK)
ATK increases by 4%
Credit2500
Thief's Instinct2
ATK BoostATK Boost (ATK)
Requires Character Lv. 80
ATK increases by 8%
Credit160K
Obsidian of Obsession8
Conqueror's Will8

Eidolons

Da CapoDa CapoDa Capo
When the Talent triggers a Follow-up ATK, there is a 100% base chance to increase the DoT received by the target by 30% for 2 turn(s).
FortississimoFortississimoFortississimo
While Kafka is on the field, DoT dealt by all allies increases by 25%.
CapriccioCapriccioCapriccio
Skill Lv. +2, up to a maximum of Lv. 15.
Basic ATK Lv. +1, up to a maximum of Lv. 10.
RecitativoRecitativoRecitativo
When an enemy target takes DMG from the Shock status inflicted by Kafka, Kafka additionally regenerates 2 Energy.
DolorosoDolorosoDoloroso
Ultimate Lv. +2, up to a maximum of Lv. 15.
Talent Lv. +2, up to a maximum of Lv. 15.
LeggieroLeggieroLeggiero
The Shock inflicted on the enemy target by the Ultimate, the Technique, or the Talent-triggered Follow-up ATK has a DMG multiplier increase of 156% and lasts 1 turn(s) longer.

Light Cones

ConceptsRarityPathATKDEFHPSkillCharacter Materials
Void
Void3
RarstrRarstrRarstr
nihility-class317.52264.6846.72At the start of the battle, the wearer's Effect Hit Rate increases by 20% for 3 turn(s).
Obsidian of Obsession
Ancient Engine
Loop
Loop3
RarstrRarstrRarstr
nihility-class317.52264.6846.72Increases DMG dealt from its wearer to Slowed enemies by 24%.
Obsidian of Obsession
Ancient Engine
Hidden Shadow
Hidden Shadow3
RarstrRarstrRarstr
nihility-class317.52264.6846.72After using Skill, the wearer's next Basic ATK deals Additional DMG equal to 60% of ATK to the target enemy.
Obsidian of Obsession
Artifex's Gyreheart
Good Night and Sleep Well
Good Night and Sleep Well4
RarstrRarstrRarstrRarstr
nihility-class476.28330.75952.56For every debuff the target enemy has, the DMG dealt by the wearer increases by 12%, stacking up to 3 time(s). This effect also applies to DoT.
Obsidian of Obsession
Silvermane Medal
Eyes of the Prey
Eyes of the Prey4
RarstrRarstrRarstrRarstr
nihility-class476.28330.75952.56Increases the wearer's Effect Hit Rate by 20% and increases DoT by 24%.
Obsidian of Obsession
Ancient Engine
Resolution Shines As Pearls of Sweat
Resolution Shines As Pearls of Sweat4
RarstrRarstrRarstrRarstr
nihility-class476.28330.75952.56When the wearer hits an enemy and if the hit enemy is not already "Ensnared," then there is a 60% base chance to "Ensnare" the hit enemy. "Ensnared" enemies' DEF decreases by 12% for 1 turn(s).
Obsidian of Obsession
Artifex's Gyreheart
Fermata
Fermata4
RarstrRarstrRarstrRarstr
nihility-class476.28330.75952.56Increases the wearer's Break Effect by 16%, and increases their DMG to enemies afflicted with Shock or Wind Shear by 16%. This also applies to DoT.
Obsidian of Obsession
Silvermane Medal
We Will Meet Again
We Will Meet Again4
RarstrRarstrRarstrRarstr
nihility-class529.2330.75846.72After the wearer uses Basic ATK or Skill, deals Additional DMG equal to 48% of the wearer's ATK to a random enemy that has been attacked.
Obsidian of Obsession
Ancient Engine
Before the Tutorial Mission Starts
Before the Tutorial Mission Starts4
RarstrRarstrRarstrRarstr
nihility-class476.28330.75952.56Increases the wearer's Effect Hit Rate by 20%. When the wearer attacks DEF-reduced enemies, regenerates 4 Energy.
Obsidian of Obsession
Squirming Core
In the Name of the World
In the Name of the World5
RarstrRarstrRarstrRarstrRarstr
nihility-class582.12463.051058.4Increases the wearer's DMG to debuffed enemies by 24%. When the wearer uses their Skill, the Effect Hit Rate for this attack increases by 18%, and ATK increases by 24%.
Obsidian of Obsession
Silvermane Medal
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Voice

Language
Titleloc_sound
First Meeting
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Greeting
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Parting
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About Self
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Chat: Fear
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Chat: Violin
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Hobbies
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Annoyances
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Something to Share
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Knowledge
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About Silver Wolf
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About Blade
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About Sam
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Eidolon Activation
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Character Ascension
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Max Level Reached
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Trace Activation
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Added to Team With Trailblazer
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Added to Team With Silver Wolf
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Added to Team With Blade
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Added to Team With Himeko
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Battle Begins: Weakness Break
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Battle Begins: Danger Alert
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Turn Begins 1
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Turn Begins 2
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Turn Idling
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Basic ATK
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Hit by Light Attack
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Hit by Heavy Attack
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Ultimate: Activate
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Ultimate: Unleash
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Talent 1
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Talent 2
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Downed
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Return to Battle
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Health Recovery
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Technique
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Battle Won
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Treasure Opening 1
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Treasure Opening 2
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Precious Treasure Opening
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Successful Puzzle-Solving 1
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Successful Puzzle-Solving 2
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Enemy Target Found
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Returning to Town
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Story

TitleText
n/aOn the Interastral Peace Corporation's wanted list, Kafka's record only shows her name and a note about her "interest in collecting coats." Little is known about this Stellaron Hunter aside from her being one of "Destiny's Slave" Elio's most trusted members. In order to achieve Elio's envisioned future, Kafka gets to work.
n/a"Kafka, female human. Hails from New Babylon of Pteruges-V. Core member of the Stellaron Hunters, the next-in-command of 'Destiny's Slave.' Responsible for the following infractions: The Pier Point Incursion, two counts; The Pier Point Heist; The Trovys Disappearance; The Stellaron events of Jemorse, Bayjhana, Shilla-39C, Ulmora, 7-Midville, Loar-51, and Dro'a; Cyber attacks against Pier Point, four counts; Cyber attacks against Planet Screwllum; Cyber attacks against Herta Space Station; The Jepella Rebellion. Suspected to be related to the following infractions: The Stellaron events of Sich-Lala, Inupeis, Oun-G7, Zukov, Lidovia, Illily, Attouine, Buhayama.
Wanted Level: Highest. Dead or alive."

— Wanted Order by the Interastral Peace Corporation
n/a"...Due to the investigation's needs, the suspect's basic information is published as follows: Suspect Kafka (Wanted Serial No.: L933012000020002010004), female, outworld individual, age unknown; height about 170 centimeters, average body size. She had been spotted draped with a black jacket and wearing a white collared shirt inside, a pair of tight-fitting dark shorts, purple pantyhose, and a pair of sunglasses on her head.
The suspect has been reported to be connected to multiple non-natural disasters occurring on the Luofu in the recent past. She is currently at large, and is now publicly wanted on the Luofu. Any department and unit who detected said suspect are encouraged to contact the local Cloud Knights. At the same time, we encourage the suspect to turn herself in and to not take any chances."

— Luofu Wanted Order (revoked)
n/a"...This woman's name is Kafka, a new Hunter without any information on file, and belongs to no particular organization. She has an ability called Spirit Whisper that allows her to hypnotically manipulate others through language. Recently, she has appeared in Riverland, New Babylon. She was seen communicating with its overchief, Shilde, and absconded with him in witness of 143 people. She then made an appearance at a clothing store and stole a black jacket, two white shirts, and a red dress with 6 witnesses. After that, she was seen by 28 people at an old music record store where she purchased nothing. Before she emerged at the Riverland Guard Station to claim her rewards, she was spotted at the central park with 2695 citizens present. We want Kafka's head, as her lethal crimes cannot go unpunished."
— Wanted Order by the Pteruges-V Devils
n/a"...Go to Pteruges-V and locate an abandoned building at coordinates 135:7372124, 271:6372711. Enter it. There is an untouched canned drink under the window sill on the first floor. Take it. Wait until 11:12 AM on Wednesday and place the can at the entrance of the building. Kafka will appear 2 minutes later. There is a chance she will stop to investigate the can. Then, take the chance to throw this ball at her feet. I will take over and converse with her from there.
There is also a chance that Kafka will ignore the can. In that case, just throw the ball away. You will die, but death will come for everyone. As for the future that you yearn for - I will realize it."

— Wanted Order by Destiny's Slave
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378 responses to “Kafka”

  1. Interesting comment section, anyway. There’s said to be new relic for blade. Will there be a new relic for kafka too? And she will be mostly built with atk% and spd right? And her lightcone is funny too. Cos im being really patient. Still hasnt pulled an exclusive 5★ character.

      
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    • No idea for the future, but at least in this patch, no, there’s no new relic set for Kafka

      And yes, she builds exclusively atk% and spd, she doesnt need effect hit rate thanks to the free effect hit rate she gets on her traces and her A6 trace, and now after two reworks she doesnt need Break Effect anymore so, yeah, she’s actually incredibly simple to build, atk% speed and base atk are the only stats you really want

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  2. Its starting to get funny cos people cant get over the fact that kafka is different build. And is easy to build same with characters that will revolve around her and in the future. And its also stupid cos theyre comparing it to seele and jing yuan. I dare them to build them without crit rate and crit dmg. Both will suck. Cos those two relies on those two numbers to be good. Oh wait. They need spd too. So theyre very dependent on 3 numbers to be good.

      
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    • true fact here:
      Any person with Seele will use Seele on 1 part of the MoC at least until the next “Seele” comes.

      Another fact, easy to build does not mean that they have equal ceiling. It will eventually come that Seele will have near godlike artifacts. And at that time, good luck with Kafka trying to catch up to her.

      Another fact, Kafka needs speed too.

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    • I don’t really find it all that funny and more sad for some of these people. That’s not to say you shouldn’t play what you want (I personally encourage it all the time) but to actively ignore a core mechanic to the character that Hoyo is designing and actively ignoring data and numbers that show DoT centric comps is her ideal element to be in just shows you that they can’t get out of the “hypercarry” mentality or what’s “Meta” currently in the game.

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  3. She depends on Sampo no less than Hu Tao depends on XQ and at the same time wants a minimum of E1.
    Nothing, the simps will dutifully accept this and will praise what an OP she is.
    It’s especially funny how supporters of a “strong” Kafka say that all you need is “just get E1 or E2”, pretending that the need for eidolons to be just competitive is natural for 5*char.

      
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    • My brother in christ just go to the damage calculator and look at the numbers yourself
      Kafka is really strong
      Also, she depends more on Luka than Sampo, since Luka’s DOT is really strong

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  4. @ZeroBRS because I could not reply directly under you last comment I’ll make a separate comment… (WALL OF TEXT WARNING)

    I don’t mind a healthy discussion but I don’t want this to be turn into a bad faith argument… I’ve shown I can admit I am wrong on something but I don’t know if you are able to do that. I’ll explain with fact and reasoning why saying “Tingyun is better” is incorrect and it’s probably better to say “Tingyun is a viable option” instead. WHICH I’ve been saying this whole time, even in past comments I’ve told people you can probably throw Kafka in a “standard” team (or a hypercarry team) with Carry, Buffer, Debuffer and Healer/Sheilder. Can we both agree that’s where she shines? So when I say Tingyun most often I’m referring to that team comp.

    In my last comment I said the best thing about Tingyun’s ultimate was the energy regen to Kafka- that is true! But that’s the best thing. The Damage Increase, while good, only lasts 2 turns (and I got Tingyun recently from standard banner pull recently to test) that means Kafka would only get the damage increase from natural DoT tick once (DoT checks to see what damage buffs are on the character when DoT procs) So Kafka gets buffed can ult and then skill (DoTs explode at max efficiency). Boss turn (DoT from Ultimate explode with max efficiency) Kafka turn she does Skill (explode DoT max efficiency) but after that (in current version) Kafka’s perma DoT losses it’s power when Boss goes and procs DoT from ultimate due to buff falling off. Keep in mind Sampo (in previous build) provided the same benefits as her damage increase but better (overall damage) since the DoT increase is a MULTIPLICATIVE increase. But it’s even BETTER now b/c Kafka can pretty much keep her Ultimate DoT up permanently! Sampo’s Ultimate debuff lasts 3 turns… So using the same formula with Tingyun, it would look something like this: Sampo Ult increases damage, Kafka Ult + Skill (procs all DoTs at max efficiency). Boss goes (procs DoTs naturally at max efficiency). Kafka goes Skill (procs all DoTs max efficiency). Boss goes (procs DoTs naturally at max efficiency) *if the boss doesn’t double up on a turn* this is even better as you get another turn of full efficiency DoTs.. So it’s just better on the damage front simply put. The buff to Atk% that Tingyun provides is good and helps obviously but it’s still less damage as a whole to Sampo’s Ultimate and his own DoT being bursted from Kafka’s abilities. The 40% damage is there I suppose I’ll be honest I sorta forgot about it but it only get’s proc’d once per turn and Kafka does her Ult+Skill combo the Sampo DoTs do wayy more anyway. That finally leaves Tingyun’s battery capabilities which again I noted was a plus! That said Kafka has a 3 turn rotation until Ult is back up (she gets 40 energy minimum per turn if playing right) her Ult used to last 2 turns which means you may only see the DoT naturally proc once if the Boss goes twice in a row. Tingyun’s energy restoration does help maintain that DoT but you still will run into situations where you have to hold Tingyun’s Ult to make the most out of that energy restoration since the Damage increase isn’t as worth as Sampo damage increase. Keep in mind that was the previous version on Kafka, now she is able to keep her Ultimate DoT up 100% with almost no effort, which was the last thing Tingyun sorta had going for her…

    Moving on to Sampo. I don’t mean to come off rude but I can tell you either don’t own Sampo or never cared to play him because you’re incorrect about his application of wind shear. I main Sampo, btw. Sampo is able to apply his Wind Shear DoT on ALL ticks of Damage applied. Yes, every single tick of damage. His Ultimate (which you should lead with first if you have 100% meter) does 4 ticks of damage to ALL enemies- so you mention 2 mobs 1 boss? THATS one of his best scenarios! It’s when mobs get larger than that it begins to become a problem (fortunately that doesn’t happen often and usually it doesn’t happen right at the start- meaning bosses may summon mobs later giving you time to get DoTs up) So no, you are just actually wrong here… I’m not totally unfair though and will admit that some level of RNG(eezus) is involved but if you are building some level of EHR you can mitigate that without sacrificing too much, which is why his signature LC (EotP) is great on him! You mention skill point management, I can tell you once you have obtained 5 stacks of wind shear it’s incredibly easy to maintain! Did you know that wind shear lasts 4 turns at A2? That’s the longest DoT in the game currently. Did you also know that the DoT timer refreshes anytime you do damage? As mentioned previously, each tick of damage applies wind shear. His basic attack does a 3 peice combo! That’s 3x opportunity to refresh DoT! He actually becomes quite SP efficient once stacks are applied since he can’t go over 5 stacks. So ideally if you are starting a boss fight with 100% meter you Ult then Skill to apply all 5 stacks of DoT, Kafka does her thing and Sampo is just on DoT maintenance at that point… He can use Skill to squeeze out more damage or help the team by getting more SP. Last point you made on Sampo regarding ultimate doesn’t make sense to me, maybe you’ll need to explain better… You mention you will have to delay Sampo Ult, which is not true..? Sampo should be ulting as soon as it’s up as opposed to Tingyun who should probably delay her turn to get as much value from the energy restoration… As mentioned previously Sampo ulting means he is doing damage, applying wind shear DoT AND debuffing the target at the same time. If you are running Sampo with Kafka, you will most likely want to run him on the wind relic set (I forget name) that makes it so he gets 25% advancement upon using Ult. Meaning if Kafka was somehow faster than Sampo, just pop Ultimate to CUT in FRONT of Kafka so Sampo can cap 5 stacks on DoT and THEN Kafka can blow up all DoTs at maximum effiency with Ult + Skill combo. There *shouldn’t* be a time, in theory, that you will have to Delay ultimates. Maybe when the boss is about to die and they have another phase up? But I feel like that’s most teams no matter who you run, I could be wrong on this point but it seems to be the case in high level content. The only real case Tingyun has that you presented (and that I’ve also mentioned before) is that she can make Kafka ult more (although you may have to delay Tingyun ult) but again, that matters even less now…

    Now the Kafka Video point… Yes, the infamous Kafka vid… We both agree the uploader was pretty awful and could of made BOTH teams look better (I’ve said this multiple times) But I’ve also looked at the footage multiple times, even written notes line-by-line how much damage was being done by the whole team including DoT damage and the thing you are failing to see here is how significant the DoT damage the DoT Team (Sampo) was doing over Tingyun’s team. Unfortunately the vid with Tingyun is no where to be seen in it’s entirety (least I haven’t found it) The best I could do is where someone snipped the first half of the Coco fight and only had the 2nd half up. While yes of the damage wasn’t overwhelmingly more than what Tingyun was helping to provide for Kafka that appears to me that you were only looking at her numbers and not the natural DoT ticks that happend upon Coco’s turn. Which is SUPER important to pay attention to on a DoT team, go figure… In Tingyun’s team Kafka’s DoT was doing 20322 to 27801 (with break damage) at the end. Sampo team DoT was doing 24~ishk minimum 40k to 50k+ (with break damage) Ignoring the huge DoT number, Sampo’s team on multiple occasions provided *atleast* 3-4k damage difference on Kafka’s abilities, which adds up over a full fight and ignoring that is pretty disingenuous.

    LAST POINT… is actually a valid opinion! I really can’t argue that Tingyun would be a better investment rather than Sampo, as Sampo is only just “okay” right now (despite how much I enjoy him) Tingyun is absolutely one of the best 4-stars currently. But saying Sampo doesn’t shine with Kafka really comes off bad faith to me, as it seems like you don’t want to play Sampo regardless if he’s good or not with her. Btw (as I feel like I have to repeat myself) THAT IS FINE, no one has to play Sampo if they don’t want, it’s not required but he is fantastic for Kafka and it’s clear Hoyo wants people to run him with her to get the most of her…

    Phew, that was a lot and took me a couple hours to right up as I wanted to get facts straight. Hopefully I didn’t miss anything or got anything wrong but I’m willing to be wrong or corrected (as I’ve called myself out before) that’s not a problem. My problem is when the data is front of you and people willfully ignore it for personal reasons/feelings and give misinformation. That’s all. If you have any counterpoints I’m super willing to listen but if you do please present facts and numbers where she is quite literally outperforming Sampo. There is a Character calculator I can link that has the leaked characters kit (although I don’t think it was updated with recent Kafka changes) You can literally plug in the numbers and gear the poster was using and see for yourself.

      
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    • First off who say “Sampo doesn’t shine with Kafka” ???
      Even in my original comment that you reply to, I even say they nerf/rebalance her kit like this because they want peoples to play her with sampo. I say “Kafka is better pair with Tingyun” AND not “kafka don’t work with sampo”, I reread all my reply don’t put word on me.

      I want to clear thing first: I talk about E1 because “Waifu enjoyer” say Kafka will do no dmg without luke/sampo (wich is true if she stay like this and without E1). But he also say Kafka with tingyun is “pathetic” and that I disagreed.
      In fact I believed, she clearly work best with Tingyun hence the need to nerf/rebalance her like this. The rest of my reply to you, is just try to show what make tingyun good. Wich is slightly dmg loss but much easier to play and no real drawback. And I heard you. You don’t totally agreed with me and is fine.

      Before we go on, I want to say I have nothing against sampo. I actually lv him up a bit in preparation for kafka, but after learning her kit on this website I put him on hold.
      That leak vid actually convinced me to not bother with sampo.
      Yes my problem with Sampo is actually got highlight in that vid: “delay ultim”, because yes dude actually miss time the ultim. You can check his vid right? You should clearly see when he missed that. But don’t worry clearly dude bad at the game, so here another example: I actually go check his performence on moc 10 on CN. If you don’t know in moc 10 you will fight 3 waves, yes before the next wave come he always try to save his ultim and will alway take some dmg because random mob with 1% hp refuse to die.
      Clearly sometime sampo need to save(delay) his ultim right?
      Not only that, moc 10 vid actually show how much he strugle to manage skill point. I’m not sure how to explain it because there so much going on, but clearly there is some skill point management even without kafka in that team.
      BUT is still a clear moc 10 vid with 3 star. Even with all the problem that I can see, he still work fine. (don’t come and say “but you say sampo suck” ok?)

      Here we go Kafka+sampo’s dmg vs Kafka+tingyun’s dmg.
      You know, I was hoping you would just say “I would take big burst dmg with sampo rather then maybe 2 ultim with tingyun”. Because really is fine for me and I will just leave at that.
      When clearly we agreed that the leaker play badly.
      -Kafka in tingyun vid have only 3100 atk because he use EHR chest. (3600 atk in sampo’s vid)
      -Kafka in both vid have 70% break effect.
      -In Sampo vid Kafka is the one that break cocolia’s toughness bar
      -In tingyun vid, Tingyun with 0% break effect, break cocolia’s toughness bar
      -Sampo have lightning orb (yes I don’t know why)
      -Tingyun have 3000 atk

      So no, I don’t only look at the number I also look at how the sequence play out and check stat to see if the comparation is fair. While you clearly care about dot dmg but ignore all dmg that Kafka did with benediction buff.

      From all my observation, my conclusion is: sampo only did slightly better in tearm of dmage, but not enough reason to lv him up. Hence “Kafka+Tingyun is better”.

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      • To be fair I never said you specifically said she “Sampo Sucked” anywhere in my Thesis statement (lol) but I said that it that way b/c if you think Tingyun is better than Sampo then clearly why bother with Sampo, outside of liking the character? That Waifu enjoyer could see that DoT is the way to play but here you come saying “Tingyun is better” in your opinion. Which is incorrect. I’m speaking purely on performance value and Tingyun (especially now) does not provide pound for pound better results. You literally keep saying he performs better and you keep saying she is better ??? If I say “I don’t like Tingyun, I think the character is cringe” (I don’t like her character tbh) that’s an opinion! But IF I say “I don’t like Tingyun, she actually is pretty mid and and it’s less optimal to run her in any team comps… In my opinion” Is just factually wrong and that’s the kind of behavior I’m calling you out for.

        The only thing I’d say in terms of investment she will have a better time fitting into more team comps but that does not make Tingyun better… Quite literally she is worse than Sampo. Now is it that big of a deal? No not really but don’t tell people she is better when she isn’t because you plan on playing her with Kafka. Again you can just say “you can pull for her and play with Tingyun and will be fine” lol I really don’t understand how you can’t see that.

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  5. Funny nerf.

    It was already not a very strong unit and was heavily dependent on the future Black Swan, and now it has received a significant nerf, which took a lot of MVs in DoTs, as well as a lot of DMG% for DoTs, receiving a minor change in return. If you want to get comfortable and strong characters – Kafka is not your choice. Future supports will give more for Hypercarry, and your Sampo, Luka and Black Swan will not fit into other units except for DoT and will be worse than 4* supports and debuffs.

      
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    • She got buffed tho
      her dps is way better now because she always has her DOT on the enemy, before you only had it for two turns
      Just because she has lower numbers now it doesnt mean its a nerf

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      • kafkas kit doesnt really revolves around her personal damage but her unique skill dot detonation. Her kit relies on her teamates dot damage and enhance it even further. But her recent changes makes her more a selfish dot dps and nerf her synergy towards other dot units. 1st they move her teamwide dot increase buff to eidolons and replaced by self suffecient shock. Then nerf her lc. And most of all they nerf her skill multiplier fom 90% to 75% which is her main source of damage. Now she mainly relies on her shock. Which could not compete form traditional dps who have access to critical damage.

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        • This dude (Break Effect Enjoyer) has already written that he will receive Kafka Eidolons (exactly E1 and probably E2).
          He just thinks that the others are obliged to do the same – and now he goes and tells everyone what “buff” got E2 Kafka.
          Although for E0 players (i.e. most players), this is pure nerf: HoYo not only reduced the unique damage from its DoT detonation, but also closed the buff for the entire squad for Eidolon – as a result, the rest of the team members (Sampo, Luka, Serval and others) they will also deal less damage.
          MHY made it look more like a boring, selfish dps – less buff for the squad, less detonation damage growing from the strength and mechanics of the squad members, more of their own personal damage.

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          • Brother when the fuck did I write that I am not getting Eidolons for ANY character
            After being a whale in Genshin I learned that getting copies of characters is not worth at all

    • Excuse me? How was she not a strong unit? DoT team are not viable now only because Kafka doesn’t exist yet and they lack critical modifiers, Kafka is essentially giving DoT characters an equivalent to that in the form of frontload damage.
      Before she gave that plus a boost to DoT damage, shit was insane and probably even better than current teams, now if you take into consideration how EASY is to build DoT teams, is not even a contest what teams “were” better.
      Now she’s balanced but DoT teams are still as accessible as ever.

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  6. I don’t know what kind of “versatility” some are talking about, but so far without Eidolons it is played in exactly 2 teams:
    – Kafka + Sampo + Luka + survivor slot;
    – Kafka + Sampo / Luka + Asta / Pela / Bronya + survivor slot;
    In other teams, she is simply not viable.
    Yes, in theory she will only get better with the advent of new DoT char… that’s just in the next year and a half we won’t have any DoT char, except Guinaifen.

      
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    • “exactly 2 teams”

      Then lists at least 8 different teams.

      What?

      No dps which survives your “exactly two teams” with the loose definition of a team you’re working with. Every single one is going to have a ‘best team.’

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    • The recent influx of complaining is literally just a parade of meta humpers angry they need to build Sampo lmao. I don’t know why, Sampo rules.

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  7. 3rd time attempting to leave a comment don’t know why it’s not showing up…

    Kafka looks fine still, even though I personally liked the last version more this one is more self-sufficient, which is fine. They buffed her ult DoT detonation to 100% DoT damage to sorta make up for E nerf. Kafka will be able to maintain her DoT permanently now on bosses up to 2 elite without much trouble. Granted you could argue that she could of done that before in the previous build with the event LC but yeah…

    Speaking of Light Cones, I’m more upset that they changed her signature LC more than anything. It was a supportive LC that helped DoT teams more while also still giving some power to Kafka. Sure it made it “niche” but that’s necessarily a bad thing. Now they made it so any Nihility could get use out of it but it currently doesn’t look better than the other damaging Nihility options, like “Good Night and Sleep Well” it’s something I was sorta looking forward to pulling but on the plus side I guess I could look to put that toward either Loucha or E2 (maybe even both if Kafka is 2nd half of 1.2)

    Speaking of Eidolons, if you were planning for those, these changes are a buff (neutral change otherwise) imo.

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  8. Yep, super easy skip. Zero interest in building Sampo and Luka.

    Will save all my pulls for Jingliu and Topaz.

      
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    • hope you get them… because that will be a long, burning and boring wait to get there.
      We are talking AT LEAST a 100 days, if not more.

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  9. Damn, I wrote up a whole comment last night going over my thoughts on changes and it didn’t show up. Sadge…

    I’ve already seen at least a couple people mention it but I’ll restate it: What it looks like is happening here is Hoyo is trying to make her a little more self-sufficient. She received both a nerf and a buff which sorta cancels each other out in a way, so I’d say she was just readjusted to play ball with more characters. I’ve seen many comments on here and several other places that have no desire to play her in a DoT comp- they’d rather have her be a hypercarry or sub DPS (like a Serval 2.0 lol) and I think these changes gives her more room to play in those comps. Honestly, if you were going for E1 or potentially E2 anyway, I’d argue these changes are better off for you if you wanted DoT focus. I mean may as well go for E1 and skip out on the current version of her signature LC “Patience is all you need”…

    Speaking of I already talked a bit about it on said LC page but man, I think I’m most dissapointed about those changes more than anything. It’s really sad to see a niche but cool effect in “Party wide DoT damage increase on attacked enemy” change to a middling LC that seems to emphasis personal damage instead of team damage. But even then it isn’t particularly great in personal damage since “Good Night and Sleep Well” exists. Getting 24% increased damage sounds good on paper until you realize much of her damage is coming from (surprise!) her DoT and suddenly the 24% listed on her LC isn’t doing all too much. The Speed boost on her LC is still good but the newly added talent isn’t anyting to write home about.

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  10. Well, now that it absolutely doesn’t work with any other waifu and can’t be played without Sampo and Luka, I think I’ll skip it this time.
    Maybe when more characters come out, I’ll pick her up on reran, if we ever have characters with good synergy with her again.
    In the meantime, playing Kafka means either playing only through the Sampo and/or Luka team, or doing almost no damage (I think everyone has already seen a video with her as hypercarry and how pathetic the damage is if you use her in this way).

      
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    • You’re mad she doesn’t synergize with more characters when her changes actually made it so she doesn’t need Serval or anyone really because she can maintain shock on her own now. Maybe read her changes again because you should be happy about them if you wanted her to be more flexible.

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    • I compared that test vid alot, and in my opinion kafka at that time work better with tingyun.
      Infact they nerf her like this is just because they want peoples to play Kafka with sampo or any dot char.

      Anyway just get Kafka E1 problem solve. Well is what I plan anyway

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      • You *may* have more of a case with E0 Kafka with this statement even though I disagree. Tingyun should be buffing hypercarries, which Kafka really isn’t. I mean you could *build* her that way with crit stats but her attack scaling % are low for that role. Tingyun will provide an Atk% buff (which Asta can do better if you want that) and a Damage % increase but the damage % increase ONLY works on her Talent damage (140% scaling), skill damage (160%) and Ult (80% scaling) it DOES NOT work on DoT damage (whether it be her own or anyone else’s) when she blows it up with Skill + Ult combo. The best thing about Tingyun’s ultimate is the energy regen you can get to ult more often but outside of that you would be wasting her potential for better carries lol…

        For clarity, I’m not saying Tingyun can’t work with her and if you like your foxy waifu and hate Sampo that’s okay too. But Sampo by themselves is better for Kafka and the team SYNERGY. Tingyun gives up personal damage to make hypercarry shine and Sampo does not give up any damage when he’s included with Kafka, while *enhancing* Kafka’s own damage. In fact there was a youtube video floating around that had her running in a Hypercarry team and the Sampo Team was outperforming (in posters own words) about ~30%-40% better. You have to factor everything including into these calculations like the DoT damage Kafka does on her E and Ult BUT ALSO the DoT damage Sampo brings and the DoT damage increase when the enemy starts their turn (all of which Tingyun doesn’t help)

        Amplify this with Eidolon investment (cleary DoT focused) and Tingyun support is no where close to running a DoT focused team. Again, will she most likely be okay with Kafka? Sure, yeah I can see that.. But is she “better” or optimal for Kafka, especially with Eidolon investment? No, it’s very clear she was designed for DoT comps.

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        • So, I need to make a correction. I said that Tingyun’s Ult doesn’t boost DoT damage but it does boost regular DoT damage (just not Break DoT) for the character she is targeting with said ult. So I want own up to that error as I was initially saying that Tingyun’s ult wouldn’t effect Kafka Ult Dot damage…

          That said while her ult is better than I thought it still doesn’t change much in the grand scheme of things. Also researching and actually testing and paying attention to the numbers I find out that DoT amplifier (Sampo Ult and Kafka Eidolons) is it’s own multiplier and provide more Damage to the enemy than just a Damage increase (Tingyun Ult) Just so you know, Damage increase from Tingyun’s ult (and any LC’s that mention Damage Increase) is additive to the Damage increase from elemental damage (planar sphere) which will be less damage than a multiplicative damage increase, like the DoT increase damage debuff.

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          • Because it seem like you are open to discussion, I should try my best to explain myself too.

            The reason why I say tnigyun is better for kafka is because (before skill change) Kafka main dmg come from her ultim.
            Tingyun buff also give kafka benediction buff, ie everytime kafka attack she do 40% lightning dmg, and yes from the vid that you just talk about, her talent can proc tingyun benediction buff.
            So as you can see Tingyun buff kafka’s atk (aka overall dmg, shocked included) and give her energie to ultim faster.

            Now let’s compare what sampo can give to Kafka.
            1 – wind shear for dmg and kafka to proc with her ultim and skill
            2- Boost all Dot (only from ultim)
            And here is the problem first you need to skill with Sampo to get 5 stack,
            what if there is like 2 mob and 1 boss? Yep RNG you may need 3 turns to get 5 stack on a specific enemies if not then you will lose dps. also it mean you need to carefully manage your skill point.
            The second problem is you may need to delay sampo ultim (or delay kafka ultim) to make sure kafka can benefice from the DOT buff.
            In this scenario compare to TIngyun I would say with Sampo Kafka can ultim 1 time for more dmg or ultim 2 times with tingyun. I think is fair comparision.

            Now let’s talk about the vid that show Kafka tingyun team vs sampo team. Yes I also watch that. And not just watch I also compare the 2 vid alot.
            I will just make it short, it almost have no different. It only look better on sampo. But if you count the dmg and the turn it to take kill cocolia, it almost the same, slightly faster on sampo vid (I can list all the reason why the sampo vid is faster, but I don’t really thing is matter because the dude play badly)

            Lastly, I don’t think it worth lv sampo to lv 80 and get his lv talent and ultim to lv10 just to make him work with kafka, when TIngyun can work with all the DPS in game.

    • Random person complaining that Kafka is not generic dmg dealer #561 and instead part of a niche playstyle. If you wanted a lighting dmg dealer then shoulve roleld for Jing Yuan Bozo

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