| Eternal Calculus | 5 | erudition-class | 529.2 | 396.9 | 1058.4 | Increases the wearer's ATK by 8%. After using an attack, for each enemy target hit, additionally increases ATK by 4%. This effect can stack 5 times and lasts until the next attack. If there are 3 or more enemy targets hit, this unit's SPD increases by 8%, lasting for 1 turn(s). | |
| Whereabouts Should Dreams Rest | 5 | destruction-class | 635.04 | 529.2 | 846.72 | Increases the wearer's Break Effect by 60%. When the wearer deals Break DMG to an enemy target, inflicts Routed on the enemy, lasting for 2 turn(s). Targets afflicted with Routed receive 15% increased DMG, and their SPD reduces by 15%. Effects of the same type cannot stack. | |
| Yet Hope Is Priceless | 5 | erudition-class | 582.12 | 529.2 | 952.56 | Increases the wearer's CRIT Rate by 16%. While the wearer is in battle, for every 20% CRIT DMG that exceeds 120%, the DMG of the wearer's follow-up attack is increased by 16%. This effect can stack up to 4 time(s). When the battle starts or after the wearer uses their Basic ATK, enables the Ultimate and the follow-up attack to ignore 16% of the target's DEF, lasting for 2 turn(s). | |
| After the Charmony Fall | 4 | erudition-class | 476.28 | 396.9 | 846.72 | Increases the wearer's Break Effect by 28%. After the wearer uses their Ultimate, increases their SPD by 8%, lasting for 2 turn(s). | |
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179 responses to “New in 2.3”
I dunno where the changes get posted usually but for those who post them here please don’t forget to post Jade’s stuff if she gets any. She’s not as anticipated as Firefly but some of us really love her ;_;
Is there a combat simulator for HSR, similar to “gcsim” for Genshin? If there’s not, I’ll probably just make one myself, I guess.
you can use honkai.asagi-game.com
Oh how I love the random mini game events where Hoyo adds a whole new game mode to Hi3 or HSR
V3 is soon. What are some changes you think will be done? What are changes you want to see? (aside from “let firefly do super break base kit” cuz that one has been said way too often already)
Firefly:
1. Regens energy up to 50% at the begining of each wave, not just at the begining of the battle, so her gameplay in the second wave is way more fluent.
2. The effect on her eidolon 1 that makes enhanced skill SP free to be relocated to a major trace or talent. If it was too powerful to be available to eidolon 0, maybe add some limitations to it, such as she gains a stack of a special buff whenever an enemy is broken, and the said buff may be consumed by her skill instead of SP. So she isn’t as SP hungry as for now, which allows the HTB to skill very often.
Jade:
1. Additional bounce damage mechanic for the FUA to be added to the base kit, much like how Acheron’s major trace works. Such as, 40% attack multiplier * 3. That would definitely redeem her in MoC.
2. Sort of DPS support to be added to her base kit, such as FUA damage amp for the skill’s target, or FUA vulnerability on the enemies that were hit by her FUA, or anything else that makes her a worthwhile teammate to be considered by many popular MoC teams.
Manifesting Bounces. I’ll even take a bounce on her ult if that’s what we can get.
Some good ideas here. I’ve always thought her E1 is very good utility-wise, so it will in all likelihood get changed. I’ve always gone back and forth on what they’d do with it, since her major eidolons are all quite good.
For Jade, I could see her getting some sort of buff when at max stacks of Pawned Asset, maybe the bounces or buff that you mentioned. I could also see the damage that she does when the debt collector ally attacks being raised from 20%, since it’s additional damage and as such doesn’t get the insane crit damage from her stacks or any of her FU damage boosts. Based on your calculations on Jade’s page, with RM’s skill and ult, this extra damage is currently only about 1-2k per enemy, which is paltry.
I won’t be surprise if firefly got some change (even tho i rather this version). But something got it my mind is her basic skill, you lose 50% hp when you use it, meaning you need to use it 2 time if 0 energy.
Let’s take that, you are in moc cycle, sam untransformed you need to use 2 times your skill, and you ult to advance so you regen, but this entire time, you got a dot (sounds dumb) well, you just died of dot. I know it sounds dumb like that but you can cleanse it or w.e, but in a case without cleanse/heal, well, she kinda kill herself XD.
And Jade don’t know, didn’t intrest me at first so…
If I did ever get her, I’d use her with Aventurine and call it a day xD Better to abuse her damage reduction and grant her more Eff res than to worry about that. I can live without Gallagher’s 12% buff.
A character that drains their own health, to dangerous lives. For a risky power boost. Sounds like the ideal team mate for Aventurine to be fair. For after all. That does sound very much like the type of character that embraces Adventurine saying of, “All or Nothing!”.
Yeah. She gets 40% damage reduction, which also affects shields. And his shields basically never disappear so >:3
You don’t die of DoT, your ESkill puts you at 1hp, then your ult cleanses all debuffs so you don’t die.
Wait it cleanses ? During ult she has higher effect res but no cleanses, no ? It’s not written anywhere tho…
Kinda curious where you got that info –‘
Read the talent:
Once energy reaches its maximum, dispel all debuffs on SAM
I am hoping for something that make her a bit more unique to superbreak playstyle, like reduce toughness recover by 10% – 25% when she is present in battle. Or a debuff that make enemies take increase superbreak dmg like her Signature. Like it could be her talent as I don’t find her talent to be that useful
That and reduce her base multiply on skill to prevent crit build and instead buff her superbreak scaling more or something, so superbreak feel more rewarded to be play with
change how the enhanced ability works from doing attack damage using its BE to doing break damage and attack damage without needing to break, that it does not do critical hits and cc and cd above the base become a low percentage to break
Jade:
1. Grant HP recovery for Debt Collector while He/She or Jade kills an enemy.
2. Allow assigning multiple Debt Collectors via Skill.
3. Talent FuA: 120% All -> 20%*6 Bounce. (20% is (the same as Skill) )
1) That would be a nice QoL for those who don’t want to run Abundance units for one reason or another.
2) That means we’ll get a new E6 as the current one makes Jade a second debt collector, enabling quicker follow ups and stacking of PA.
3) Would that mean that it becomes 100%*6 bounce after she ults or would it increase it 33.3%*6 for a total close to the original 200%? That would be really cool. I would like if the bounce is extra on top of the current attack so it functions similarly to Argenti’s boosted ult where it gives him more damage that helps in both AoE and ST.
whoops, I forgot the Ult could enhance her Talent FuA by 80%. Then the enhancement would get nerf if they do change the FuA to bounce.
You also provide a good idea: They can change the enhancement from granting FuA an extra multiplier to adding bounce damage. That won’t make her too strong but optimized for fewer targets.
That Talent FuA change would obliterate her damage lmao
Against one enemy it would do the same amount of damage but against multiple enemies in pf it would go from 120% to 5 enemies making it do 600% attack to 120% across all five enemies making it do only 120% damage/5x less damage then before
The right thing would be 120% bouncing 5 times which would be a fun change to make her useable with Topaz in MoC
I really want them to get rid of ATK -> bonus BE trace on Firefly altogether.
Not only that it’s a worse trace than what Boothill has, it also causes more problem than what it’s worth, discouraging hybrid builds and forcing players to take ATK chestpiece and orb, lowering her personal raw damage.
1 BE robe on Boothill gives 6/32 critical, equates to around 68% of a +15 chestpiece slot.
Meanwhile to receive 60BE from Firefly’s trace, you will need to sacrifice multiple slots + substats to ATK just to get the equivalent of 1 slot of BE robe.
It also doesn’t help that ATK contributes so little to her damage.
At the moment, I do feel that Boothill is just straight up better at being hybrid unit even though he specializes in dealing break damage. All because of this one funny major trace difference. And frankly, it’s just annoying for a character to come with so many stat requirements, like, why? Why can’t it just be ‘SAM gains 40% Break Effect for an entire combustion mode’ or something?
For a game that already has so little room for skill expressions, Hoyo continues pushing this trend of deciding how players should build their characters as well.
While I understand that it helps guide newer players, I just don’t like it.
I think the Atk => break effect conversion is fine since using Def or HP instead would have made her waaay too bulky.
As for the argument of Boothill having break => Crit conversion, it’s really not a good one.
First of all it’s pretty useless on him due to him running an hybrid build would make his ult only hit for about 40k, which honestly is awful for how high the investement needed is. Second, most peoples are now running him full on bulk since he is really frail otherwise due to his skill and being a hunt unit. Third about 70% to 90% of his damage output comes from break damage.
And i think that’s the issue that most peoples have a hard Time understanding, a break DPS isnt designed to do anything other than break damage.
The entier point of that kind of unit is to not need to care about Crit rate, Crit dmg and Atk stats since your damage comes only from 1 stat which is break. That has for result to remove all rng on your damage output and make farming waaaaay easier since now you only really care about 2 stats being break and speed. And it’s relatively easy to have a good break stat since having only 1 break sub roll per relics is usually enough to make you reach about 250 BE.
All this doesnt mean that Firefly/SAM doesnt need a rework, but more that it’s somewhere else that the rework is needed imo. In this case i think that she should have a way to deal break dmg after the initial break much like Boothill does, but without being a 170% like him since it would be way too much for a blast damage unit. I also think that her skill not costing SP being locked to E1 is questionable to say the least. Imo it should have been part of her base kit in some ways.
I also really wish playable SAM had her boss version punch ngl. And the new ult punch one from the Divergent Universe version. Not a big fan of having more sword users when we have a decent ammount of them. It really was the time to make something more original imo.
Not directly related to your comment though, i think that Jade is mostly fine, and like other peoples responding to OP said, just increase the FUA damage a bit and turn it into a bounce once there’s only 1 ennemy on the field or something along those lines and she’ll be really great.
What I meant is for the entire stat conversion thing to just go. Not to changing it to Def or HP or any other as requirement, with the exception of SPD because that would synergize with SAM’s Ultimate. Break effect is still the most valuable stat on Firefly, I am glad she has it on her trace, but not with how heavy handed Hoyo made it.
I’m aware that no one in their right mind would build Boothill as true hybrid unit, hence, my sadness that even going full break effect, Boothill will still be walking around with 35/200 critical minimum. And as a hunt character, he will need that finishing off stragglers or against toughness protected targets to gain his trickshots.
I disagree that a break DPS isn’t designed to do anything other than break damage. At the very least, not Firefly.
I’m pretty certain that she was designed as a hybrid unit at core even if it was quickly proven to be less than optimal. The 580% Atk scaling blast skill and 3400Atk are here for a reason. People do understand her design, they are just disappointed with current results, which is why we are here.
Giving Firefly superbreak damage will fix her problem, yes. But then she’d just ended up being a second Boothill, but destruction.
I’m not sure about you. But I truly want her to stand out from a character released just one banner ahead of her.
As Dazz Aephiex replied to what i said, i don’t think that all traces NEEDS to be absolutely useful for what the character does, so that’s why i am fine with how that trace works since it also helps her reach her 350 BE required for the much more valuable 40% def ignore trace.
However a bit like how boothill has that crit trace, i think that Firefly’s atk => break conversion and her high damage multipliers on skills serves a similar purpose : finishing off smaller targets like regular soldiers, dogs, birds or whatever other similar mobs there might be when procking her break damage.
As for the break DPS not being design for anything other than break damage, i’m definitly biaised about it since i really hate how unrealistic the requirement for any hybrid builds are, including with units like Xueyi which was designed with that in mind. If you watched a bit of gameplay of firefly without HMC help, i think you probably also noticed how most of her damage still comes from her break, so i really do think that she was intended to play around break an not hybrid builds. Especially with how fast she is at breaking ennemies.
The issue imo mostly lies in the break damage itself, because the way you play around her, at least rn, is that once you use your ultimate, you need 1 or 2 uses of your skill to break your main targets, leaving a last hit to break an other target on the side while still doing damage to the original target. But ultimately, even if you break, it’s not some game ending power like Boothill (which make sense mind you since he is a single target “glass” cannon while she is a bulky offensive unit) and that despite having the same break multiplier as him.
So that’s where the difference between the two should/was meant to be imo. One that does absurde ammount of damage to one target and does even more after the initial break but with relatively low breaking speed while the other having a really fast breaking speed and doing it on multiples targets at time but having the incapacity to do extra break damage after the initial one. So the way i expect things to change is that she would get a way to do even more damage on her initial break and a way to still do a bit of damage to already broken ennemies afterward to finish off the initial target, that’s why i expected her to get “super break” in her kit (at most 25% of her initial fire break imo) since unlike physical break which has bleed, she can’t finish the targets off with burn due to how “bad” it is.
As someone who also really like SAM and Firefly, i of course want her to be unique at what she does and not just being X but does Z instead of Y. But i also think that being an “hybrid dps” is not something unique or desirable as, on paper, it would just be a 5* Xueyi, like how on paper what i initially propose is just Boothill but destruction.
In any case we’ll know what they do soon enough since we should have her new kit tomorrow (and hopefully for me i don’t have to waste stats on crit to somehow never proc them more than 20% of the time even with 80% crit rate).
Agreed. The major trace is simply not useful. However the crit values from Boothill’s major trace is far less useful than 30% break effect, so we can’t really expect a character’s every major trace to be absolutely useful.
I just want her attack animations to have more red flame color….
Sam’s design partially took visual elements from Unicorn Gundam, who glows red suggesting brute force, violance, and berserker, and later turns into a form that glows green, giving a feeling of transhumanization and unleashed potential. It also took some elements from Gundam Exia, who emits green particles for a propulsion and fights the enemy with dual swords. Interestingly, Gundam Exia is also a harbinger of transhumanization in the respective lore.
However I see no transhumanization theme on Firefly/Sam given her current status. Maybe there will be some in the events of 2.3 patch.
That’s cool and all, but I don’t watch Gundam aside from Seed lol. I can see SAM as Destiny though.
Anyways, for me it’s just weird to see dual green swords deal red damage numbers. That’s all.
What I really want is her cut-ins removed. At least then I can pretend it’s just Sam lol
Somehow I doubt the devs will create a simple on/off button for animations like that. Rather I think they will go with the standard choice of. I hope you enjoy seeing it over and over and over again.
The unicorn gundam theme. Has red, which in destroyer mode. Would be a massive power boost for the mecha. Which would only be active for five minds, due to having bad side effects if it lasted longer than that. Which by the end, in awaken destroyer mode. It would become more greenish. Along with having themes of. YOu know what, maybe humanity has gone to far with tech. Tapping into powers of gods, they should not control. It best to seal that away. For humans shouldn’;t have such god like power.
I saw some gameplay of the new AS mode, it seems to be somewhat difficult, but it’s hard to tell since there was no active indicator of your score at any point.
It’s very similar to MoC at first, beat 2 elites before going to a 2-phase boss. The boss has 4 elements that they’re weak to, and in the first phase they summon 2 mobs and give their weaknesses to those mobs, 2 weaknesses to each. The second phase changes this to 4 mobs with 1 weakness each. Notably, the boss still has their own weakness bar at this time, but they don’t have a weakness until the mobs are defeated, upon which they return to the main boss. So the whole fight seems mainly single-target, just defeat the mob with the weakness to your main-dps’ element and then focus the boss. At least in the 2nd phase, upon breaking the boss, all of the mobs died.
Since the toughness bar still exists while the boss has generously gifted away their weaknesses, you can still implant weaknesses since the bar is not protected. So weakness implant/ignore is likely going to be top tier: Boothill/Firefly of course, but also Silver Wolf, Acheron, and Xueyi should all be pretty good in this mode. to help
This is the 1st time I’ve ever seen a genshin Beta have more characters than HSR
(maybe 4.0 since it had all 3 siblings + HMC but I never checked that beta)
The more I think about it, the more annoyed I get at HarmonyTB (or more specifically, their need of Ruan Mei)
More specifically, I hate that Ruan Mei, the already best unit in the game, is now always required with HarmonyTB who struggles to deal any significant damage without her.
I ran MoC10 with HarmonyMC, Gallager, Asta, and Xueyi, all with 200-400% BE, and they still struggled to deal with the enemies in a reasonable amount of time. Ruan Mei casually buffing the Superbreak Damage by 50% on top of giving everyone some Break Effect, and keeping enemies broken for significantly longer is too influential IMO.
Think of it this way:
Hypercarry needs two Damage Buffer Harmony.
Hyperbreak needs two Break Buffer Harmony.
Just as Preservation MC is very weak compared to Fu Xuan or Aventurine.
I am sure we will get Super Break Harmony Characters that are as OP compared to Harmony MC, as Fu Xuan is compared to Preservation MC.
Another super break character. Would only mean, you can now use Harmony Mc and the new limited five star on the same team. Since they could buff the damage to insane degrees. Rather than acting as a replacement for them.
Nah, the HTB is a break enabler. Without a dedicated break DPS they are still playable but sucks, just like how Kafka performs when not teamed with any DoT. Xueyi is NOT dedicated enough for the break playstyle, just like how Serval performs in Kafka’s team.
Break is a new playstyle that we don’t have many choices, but everything will be fine when more and more break units come.
Ruan Mei is currently the only unit who increases break efficiency and extends the duration of broken status. There might be more break supports in the future and you may wait for them instead if you don’t like Ruan Mei for some reason.
I love Ruan mei but i don’t think there will be another unity like her for a looooong time