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1. Firefly mains rise! (I’m not included)
   She clears the current Moc in 1 cycle like Acheron!
   https://youtu.be/T6notxkdsMc?si=74zBDjnsF1KOoOpQ

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   • As the biggest Acheron hater there is, this showcase hurt to watch

     I unironically think this speed boots Acheron, with a sustainer could have 0 cycled. Not breaking Gepard before Acheron ulting, damage controlling so you enter the 2nd wave with both Pela and Silverwolf’s ultimate up. Terrible build and gameplay mistakes

     That’s not even taking into account, that running Fu Xuan was literally worthless, switch the boots to ATK, slot Sparkle in and enjoy. Tectone of all people was able to clear this side with Acheron, without any sustain. If you can’t do it, lol.

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     • Your slacking. No long post that takes up half the page, as to why Archeron is overrated?

       Of course Eggman can do it. They might be unable to defeat a blue animal that eats chili dogs but they are a genius that can make robots power by tiny little animals. Only a genius would be able to make such fuel effective robots.

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     • I like how Firefly in that video has somewhat relatable relics, then he shows what Acheron has.
       I mean, I wish I have that kind of relics. 90/260 crit in combat is what I’d have if I give Acheron Sparkle’s buff lol fuck me
       Nah, I’m happy enough in my 3 cycles Noobsville, dreaming of a day I’d have 161 SPD supports.

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       • Yeah being able to get like over 200 crit damage and still have a decent crit rate. takes some godly rng artifact luck or months possibly more of pure pain.

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   • but how can one be a Firefly main, if you can’t fly and are not on fire?

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   • The sad thing here is that THAT IS FIREFLY’S BEST TEAM ever.

     There will never be a replacement for Harmony TB + Ruan Mei combo.

     And Gallagher is already as good as a healer you can get for being Fire, break effect unit, and heals outside turns.

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   • Firefly isn’t a good zero-cycler just as it, because she needs 2 casts of normal skill to transform again. It is easy for her to melt the duo elite in the first wave within 3 swipes, but melting the last boss in the second wave at full toughness in 2 swipes is kinda impossible even if the boss was single-phased. To address this issue you must either give her alot of speed from substats and make intensive use of S5 DDD and possibly company her with Bronya and like, or somehow be able to regen 115 energy on her allowing 1 fewer cast of normal skill. Either way might not be feasible under many circumstances.

     However she is an expert 1-cycler, 2-cycler, and 3-cycler. Her damage output is stable, not relying on the relic builds and is hard to be hindered by the enemy given the break playstyle seldom allow the enemy to take turns, meaning it is as easy as drinking the water for Firefly to destroy any MoC in a reasonably fast speed.

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     • But are they faster than Sonic?

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     • I mean 1,2, or even 3 cycle is pretty great as is. It doesn’t have to be 0 cycle or nothing and I dunno why that’s such a widespread thing nowadays as though 0 cycling is the only way to play. It’s still 60 jades at the end of the day lol. Blasphemy I know.

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2. guys i have a question
   my current build is 2pc firesmith 2pc BE & 2pc talia. ive been farming crit firesmith pieces, but i have 2 of them with high BE. can firefly use the extra fire dmg from the 2pc bonus? my ball has atk for now, because i was unsure if fire dmg would be useful or not

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   • no, dmg% or elemental dmg% have no impact to superbreak dmg. so yeah, it’s useless

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   • you should wait for the new break relic to release

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   • Hybrid wise, yeah she can probably get some use out of fire dmg bonus. Just make sure your build has enough break effect. Also ATK ball is best bc one of her traces gives her 6% break effect every 100 atk over 2400 to a max of 60% additional break effect. For building hybrid, ATK seems to be the best since it buffs the normal dmg and give BE for break dmg.

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3. Hopefully they’ll fix her e1 def ignore. It’s not working rn.

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   • It does work, her E1 gives her ESkill 15% def ignore, Super Break and Break aren’t part of her ESkill so they’re not affected. This is how I understand it.

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     • That’s clearly not intentional but rather a bug. Welt’s signature light cone gives some atk% when casting the skill and the effect benefits additional damage from Welt’s talent properly, which isn’t considered part of Welt’s skill.

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       • Oh, true, good thing I was wrong then

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4. is MOC enemies rn have higher hp than before? especially kafka and gepard boss. or it just me didn’t have enough damage.

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   • They probably do but my Rat team performed the same as always. My DoT team struggled but they’re poorly built tbh xD

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     • They absolutely do
       Gepard in 2.0 MoC 12 had 600k or so HP whereas I believe he has 1million or so this time
       It’s probably balanced around the blessing, otherwise such a massive spike in 2 patches is… bad

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   • Yes, the devs intentionally increased the HP of many enemies in the MoC, especially when the Memory Turbulence is something strong.

     The MT we had vs. the Aventurine boss was a 15% HP damage every cycle and 30% vulnerability on the enemy’s side, which is very strong, leading to the devs increasing the Aventurine boss’s HP to ~1m per phase and ~2m in total.

     The MT we have for now is a 25% energy regen every cycle, which is almost a Huohuo for free, and 30% damage amp on every character, which is also very strong, plus the Gepard boss and the Kafka boss are not as strong as the Aventurine boss, and the devs desided they have to have ~1m HP to stand a challenge to the player.

     The MoC in the 2.3 patch has a MT that is not so useful for most of the teams, and the bosses there do not have HP as high as what we now have. The Cocolia boss there has ~838k HP and the Argenti boss there has ~628k HP per phase and ~1.3m HP in total.

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     • Cocolia you say? Cue the theme music.

       Wrapped in biting wind
       Hearts will never bleed
       Frozen and banished

       In their restless dreams
       They try so hard to breathe
       Pulses flutter and sting
       Within this bleakness

       Pain will come with the blade
       Pain will wake up the despondent crowd
       In this dormant world somehow
       Unsheathe a sword not to kill
       Unsheathe a sword to rend those clouds above the ground
       Wake up, it’s time to gather now
       The only warmth remains
       In hands clasped so tight
       The only fire exists
       In brave hearts
       Seasons that refuse
       To change over the years
       Will find their way back
       Back on track
       (Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh)

       We’ve made a choice, go fight against your fate!
       Pain will come with the blade
       Pain will wake up the despondent crowd
       In this dormant world somehow
       Unsheathe a sword not to kill
       Unsheathe a sword to rend those clouds above the ground
       Wake up, it’s time to gather now

       Forget about the rules
       Written on weathered rock
       There were chasers of light
       Find the way or get lost
       We have no way to know
       Where they all headed for
       See the light from afar
       Just blaze through the thorns
       We know it’s right over there
       We have something to declare
       Whatever is arriving, we’ll be prepared

       We’ve made a choice, go fight against your fate!
       Pain will come with the blade
       Pain will wake up the despondent crowd
       In this dormant world somehow
       Unsheathe a sword not to kill
       Unsheathe a sword to rend those clouds above the ground
       Wake up to hear the cheering sound

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5. Is it possible for her to 0-cycle Aventurine in MOC?

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   • Pointless, my lord. The MoC you fight Aventurine is long already over by the time of Firefly’s release.

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     • Oh, well, good to know. I will tell Cocolia and Kafka to get lost from the current reset, since they are old bosses and can’t be reused in later resets.

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       • I will tell every time Cocolia gots a rerun, her HP is adjusted by the devs (increased for most of the time) and the Memory Turbulence is something different. When you fight the Aventurine boss again, any strategy you find for now might not apply any more.

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   • Haven’t seen one with most of the beta showcases, I kind of doubt it tho unless you have E2 since she will have to spend time breaking him first to deal dmg, the best dmg I have seen from her against Aventurine in her ideal team is just about 800k dmg within 2 turns, barely able to get 1 phase done and even if you do, not enough turn left to break / kill his last phase in that same cycle without Bronya / Robin / E2

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     • Actually I found one, but it is Crit build and very high team investment ( everyone with Eidolons and Signature ), probably not worth it
       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPg02DCM6gk

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       • Thanks. Actually, it doesn’t seem to be that hopeless even for cheaper teams.

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         • Need E1 for synergy with Bronya, if her v3 change put E1 into her base kit then yes

6. Can someone humor my thought for a minute?
   Everyone is discussing BreakFly vs FastFly but i want to introduce FastFly.
   I’ll skip all the braindead math and leave only a schizo one.

   Courtesty of kj415j45’s calculations on page 10 i will take his stats cuz lazy to count that myself.

   If Firefly with SPD boots/RM/no substats can get 136.72 SPD in battle lets discuss 190 SPD in battle w/o ultimate (+53.28 SPD from relic substats. Yes, 10+ SPD on each relic slot…)
   Also team setup is IMC/Firefly/RM/Asta cuz i dont see any other way for it to work lol
   Ult’s countdown is 90 SPD = 111.1 AV
   We need to split 111.AV in 3 values, since 1st move is “free” in terms of AV
   SPD with ult = 240 SPD = 41.7 AV
   111.1 – 41.7 = 69.4 AV for two moves

   so basically 41.7 + 34.7 + 34.7
   34.7 AV = 288.2 SPD, we need 48.2 SPD from Asta for these 2 moves to be able to reach 34.7 AV, and Asta ult gives it for exactly 2 turns
   and with that 4 turns during combustion is possible, i think

   Basically first two move after ultimate are on her own, then next 2 moves are under Asta’s ult.

   If you can snapshot Asta’s ult to be able it to last 3 turns then it becomes a little easier, but the concept is there

   How bad *bad* is it? if you can get 391.1% BE with no substats like kj415j45 said, then shes still gonna do “some” damage, but the idea of it is pretty funny
   Imo that might be able to clear MoC 12, extremely expensive (need E1 to even be able to cast enh skill that often), you would 100% need the healer’s set on someone to get SP’s at the beginning…
   But i’d better discuss that than critfly since everyone talks about it 🙂

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   • If Firefly has E1, it would better to just use Bronya. You won’t even need such unrealistic substats. Though with high speed on Bronya and DanceDanceDance Firefly would be able to get 2 extra turns.
     And even better than an extra turn in her ultimate, Bronya can significantly speed up her gaining energy for the second ultimate, which may help you to enter the second wave in the ultimate, exit your ultimate, take a turn with Firefly and then advance her with Bronya, use Firefly’s ultimate and advance Firefly’s action. Although it would require a careful speed finetuning.
     I don’t see a reason you would prefer Asta over Bronya. E2S1 Bronya may work well even with E0 Firefly.

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     • I was so hyperfixated on strictly SPD i forgot about Bronya, yeah thats a much easier/much less insane option, just build Fastnya and keep Firefly on the ~182 SPD breakpoint

       Now my rant sounds like “guys hear me out, Natasha hypercarry with E6…”

       Can only defend myself with “but bronya is in another team” lol
       My silly thinking made me look silly who wouldve thought

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   • If you got 190 SPD without Ult, then you have 240 SPD at Ult. It seems not working as it does not exceed 90*4 = 270.

     So you added Asta, who can buff Firefly with 50 SPD for 2 Turns. Now she gets 290 SPD. Let’s do some calculation here.
     10000/240=41.7 AV
     10000/290=34.5 AV

     0 AV => Ult. 1st Skill. Asta active Ult. At 290 SPD.
     34.5 AV => 2nd Skill. At 290 SPD.
     69 AV => 3rd Skill. At 240 SPD.
     110.7 AV => 4th Skill.
     111.1 AV => exit Ult.

     It does work as you expected. But I don’t think it’s worth farming relics with those insane sub-stats, especially when the expected Stats are calculated based on the brand-new relic sets. Also, you may find that the 4th Skill is at 110.7 AV. That means if you don’t have a 190 SPD, even a bit different can destroy the SPD trick. Causing at least 20-27 sub-stat wasting.

     Check out the action value trick -> https://starrail.honeyhunterworld.com/firefly-character/comment-page-10/#comment-46897
     You can do the same thing with Sparkle too! Then you can build more BE sub-stats on relics. The trick also works with Bronya or even Robin.

     However, putting Asta in Firefly’s team does have some potential, as you can break the toughness more quickly by using Asta’s skill. Nice catch.

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   • I run the numbers. You need 160 spd to have 4 moves during ulti.
     Asta with S5 dance^3 and courier set is a must.
     Assume Asta ult on the end of FF 1st enhanced turn, AP cosumptions are as follows:
     1st move: free
     2nd move: 7600/(160+92*0.1+50+52.8+92*0.12)=28.03 AP
     3rd move: 10000/(160+92*0.1+50+52.8)=36.9 AP
     4th move: 10000/(160+92*0.1+50)=45.83 AP
     Total AP 28.03+36.9+45.83=110.76<111.11

     This 160 spd does not include RM's talent. Thus you do need around 14-15 sub stats to achieve this.

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