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1. STAY ALWAY FROM MY PELA!!!

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2. so basically a good pela replacement for acheron teams, but is not that f2p friendly

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   • i decided to use glamoth, and omg my speed is like 155 + 14 from traces… JUST ONE MORE MAN ONE MORE T-T

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3. 1. i have acheron e1s1 and her team is with pela and silverwolf as the nihility characters. would cipher be able to replace any of those two? and who should i keep if i do end up replacing one of them?
   2. what relic sets (both 4pcs and 2pcs) would she be best using if we’re going with acheron team? idk if ill be able to go for s1 so i need sets for both possibilities (s0 and s1)

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   • If you want Cipher for your Acheron team. You must get her S1, otherwise she won’t apply debuff with her basic attack, ult, and FuA, which slows down Acheron Ult stacks. IMO, currently Cipher (S1) is better than Silver Wolf for Acheron as Cipher can apply debuff to multiple enemies, but this could be changed after Silver Wolf gets her buff.

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     • Neither does Pela apply debuff with every attack: at E0 she can only debuff with her ult, and at E4 her skill also gets a debuff. If Pela is generating stacks for Acheron, a good portion of it is probably from the Resolution lightcone, which Cipher can use to similar if not higher efficiency due to her higher speed and blast skill.

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       • If we’re wondering what to do with multiple limited units with eidolons and limited LCs, we’re probably far away from worrying about Eidolongs on a 1.0 4*.

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   • I forgot to mention this, but you could use Pioneer 4pc set on her and as for her planar, you can go Lushaka to support your first lineup team, or you can also use Inert Salsotto set for second option.

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4. whats the build for her now, and what alternatives can she have for her lightcone, would welts cone work?

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5. We can learn from Cipher’s Beta roller coaster ride.
   Especially the ending.
   Her V4 Buffed her a lot and then her V5 Nerfed her so hard it is ridiculus!
   So HoYo doesn’t care.
   First Catgirl!
   Could have made so much money if she is OP.

   If HoYo does this to a Female character, a sexy catgirl nontheless that could have made them so much more money, then clearly no character is safe from HoYo’s Nerf Hammer during Beta Phases!

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   • man

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   • No one cares about her personal damage. At E2S1 she multiply your entire team damage by 141% and at E0S1 by 99%. She is by far the best DPS support in the entire game. Her personal damage (which will get powercrept eventually) is just a cherry on top.

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     • lol, can’t tell if this is a joke or not

       You do realise even someone like Bronya, by virtue of doubling your actions (100% AV) theoretically doubles your output. Now in practice ultimates do exist, damage windows, but Bronya does more than churn out turns as well

       Now I wouldn’t call Bronya a particularly high amp support and even she has amp by your quote higher than Cipher. How does that compare to the likes of Robbin, Tribbie and soonish Cyrene & Cerydra

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       • Dude thanks for doomposting, now Im sure Cypher will be good since you are always wrong, every single beta you dont miss.

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       • how do you block people on this site

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6. what relic set would she wear? would it be more spd focused

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   • base 106 + traces 14 + boots 25 = 145; She needs 25 more speed for 170+ which is 10-13 substat rolls.

     Fairly doable, 2 or 3 rolls per non-boots piece. 2pc speed bonuses will knock off 2 rolls. If you decide to go for 2pc bonuses, do cavern relic sets, since the planar speed options are worth as much as the cavern sets, plus wasted effects.

     If you choose to do only speed substats (do this if sig LC), you’ll probably want Pioneer Diver, maybe Genius if Cipher is the carry or ran with Pela/SW

     For planars, your pick of Glamoth, Duran, or Izumo. PCCE won’t be worth it at 39% ehr

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   • Basically, you will want her to reach 170 SPD.
     she has 120 SPD by default with her traces, her LC will be a great help as it gives 18% of SPD to wearer.
     So if you plan on getting it you just need to reach 145 SPD, the LC will add up the SPD to 170.

     For 4-PC I am hesitating between “Scholar Lost in Erudition”, “The Wind-Soaring Valorous” or “Genius of Brilliant Stars”. But I might take the last one considering she can only launch her follow up once per turn. Plus with all DEF debuffs + Damage increases she would seem to launch heavy attacks with it.
     For 2-PC I’m going with “Inert Salsotto” which will buff both ult and follow-up. “Duran, Dynasty of Running Wolves” seems to be good too as it gives a higher buff for the follow up and also extra CRIT DMG but again she only launch the follow up once per turn so the stack would be long to take.
     Though with how speedy she is she could reach it fast :/ We’ll see.

     Feet’s main stat will definitely be SPD.
     For Body I would recommend CRIT DMG, considering her first Trace gives her 50% Crit Chance if she does reach 170 SPD.
     As for Planar Sphere and Rope I personally will go Quantum DMG and ATK%.

     As for the substats, I will go with SPD, CRIT DMG, ATK% and CC. EHR could be helpful but 120 (+10 from traces) default EHR seems enough to me. I’ll see when I can grabby hands her when she is out. Might replace some CC with EHR if it is the case.

     Then again that is my build, it may be not perfect in the end, you’re free to do the one that suits you better and compare. We’re here to discuss !

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     • For relic sets, I think there are some more options you aren’t considering.

       Pioneer Diver of Dead Waters 4-pc gives unconditional damage% and crit rate+damage, plus more crit stats if you apply a debuff, which is easy if you use skill or have her signature. It’s almost certainly worse than Genius if you are facing quantum-weak enemies, but can be more consistent otherwise.
       Similarly, I would say Duran seems quite good for her, but for likely less damage you can pick up Glamoth, which has a speed requirement she easily activates. It has no ramp-up time for its damage bonus. However, if you use Cipher with another follow-up unit (Aventurine/Feixiao/Ratio/Topaz etc.) then the Duran ramp-up time is probably not as bad as you are thinking.

       The Scholar and Valorous sets seem to focus on her ultimate damage, which to me seems to be a pretty small amount of her total damage. Its multiplier is 120% to the main target, then 40% to the main target and adjacent targets, so at most a 240% multiplier. Her skill does more damage than her ultimate, so Scholar does at least seem like a decent choice, but I’m unsure about how frequently she ults, so I’m not sure how much value you get out of it. I’m estimating about every 4 turns? The Scholar/Sacerdos cavern is also very good, so its not too much of an opportunity cost to farm, especially compared to the Genius set.

       I agree with your stat choices though. You probably don’t want too much Effect Hit Rate, but I would venture to guess that a few rolls would be nice to have for her light cones.

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7. So let me get this straight. At E2S1, she inflicts 70% vulnerability (40% from talent and 30% from E2) and 24% defense shred. That is a direct +95% damage increase from the whole team (even more if there are other def shredders in the team). On top of that, she inflicts 24% minimum of true damage, which makes another 24% damage increase from the whole team through her Ult. That is a total of 119% of damage increase.

   No other support unit is capable of multiplying your team’s damage as much as her. Usually harmony supports such as Sunday, Ruan Mei etc, are usually proving capable of increasing between 50% to 70%.

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   • New best nihility for archeron e2?

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     • You’re asking the wrong question. The real question is. Is Acheron the best DPS to put with Cipher. Sadly, it’s probably no.

       Sure Cipher is BiS for Acheron. But Acheron is not BiS for Cipher. Though imma get round that coz well E6 Acheron.

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   • Well it looks like my Acheron team is going to have the cat boy and cat girl supporting her.

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     • Correction, it looks like your cat girl is going to have your cat boy and Acheron supporting her.

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       • Maybe, maybe.

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         • Not anymore. Nerfed back down the earth.

8. Doesn’t her cone make any Nihility into an Acheron support?

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   • It would make them better at it depending on who, but most of them wouldn’t perform well enough to justify them being picked over the staples we already have. If you’re interested,.i can go more in depth, but it might be a bit of a read lol.

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9. My Wish came true…. Cipher enjoyers won in v3. I could cry…. Damn these buffs are beautiful.

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   • i feel bad instead: She give free “increase damage” at a6 instead of def reduction, She erode totally JQ niche and also she can no longer use 4* Silver Wolf Cone and 5* welt cone

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     • Not necessarily. i get your sentiment, but Jiaoqiu’s niche is more so his ability to funnel Acheron Stacks. He still does that WAY better than her, especially with good spd and eagle set, on top of ult vulnerability and regular. Vulnerability is also better than def shred generally, and she can use Resolution to still get some of that def shred at %16. Welt’s light cone also can still be used lol nothing changed with that. Also i’m speculating but since she is really the only nihility character that actually interacts with
       the spd stat directly, we may get another
       4* option for her, like for Rappa and Boothill.

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10. is she good enough to replace pela on my acheron team? my acheron team consists of sw, pela, and gallagher. i mean, im pulling her regardless bc she’s pretty and cool, but if she’s versatile then why not?

    also what about the remembrance teams like castorice and aglaea? both of them are sharing rmc and i’d love to find a replacement other than the bird siblings

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    • You should replace SilverWolf, not Pela. And with Silverwolf getting buffed literally next patrch, I can’t even say she’ll be an improvement.

      Current Cipher isn’t that good, she’s going to be weaker than RMC in any of the teams you mentioned.

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    • Ignore the other person, Cipher is absolutely better than Pela for Acheron. SW, even with the buffs, will not have the insane Acheron stack generation that Cipher provides.

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    • yeah I think she can replace pela as long as they don’t change her A6 Trace

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