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1. I plan to make this team :
   Kafka E0/Black Swan E0/Ruan Mei E0/Huohuo E0 – Luocha E0

   What is the best light cone to go for between Kafka’s, Black Swan’s or Ruan Mei’s (at S1) ?
   And what will be the best alternative for the other (I have Luocha lightcone) ?

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   • i think her burst dot (12% DMG multiplier from Sarcament stack) can be activated / triggered with kafka skill & ult or with E4 sampo without waiting the enemy get turn, since her skill only says: “Only when turn Sacrament deals DMG at starts of an enemy target’s turn, Black Swan triggers additional effects based on the number of Sarcament stacks inflicted on the target: when having 3 or more stacks deal adjacent targets and when having 7 or more stacks ignore 20% DEF”, and her skill didn’t says her DMG multiplier include in there, so basically kafka and E4 sampo can activated / trigger her burst dot while can’t activated the bonus effects; damage adjacent target & ignore def effects.

     CMIIW 😀

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     • That.. doesn’t really answer my question

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     • What is the best Light Cone to go for between Kafka LC, Black Swan LC or Ruan Mei LC (in a team with Kafka/Black Swan/Ruan Mei/Huo Huo, all characters E0 and LC S1) please ?

       – The +24% DMG and the skill point on ult from Ruan Mei LC can be good (I think)
       – Kafka LC give her an other DoT but the speed boost can break her cycles
       – Black Swan LC in a team like this can only stacks 2 DoT type

       So I don’t really know :s.

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   • Use Solitary Healing for Kafka, Eyes of the Prey or her signature LC for Black Swan, and Memories of the Past for Ruan Mei.
     Solitary Healing can boost Kafka’s ER even higher when someone dies, which gets her more ults, more damage. The Effect Hit Rate bonus is good for Black Swan, but note that this is only the possibly best F2P utility – might want to roll for her own LC instead. Ruan Mei should work best with this team if she can provide 3-turn Ult, for which she needs either Meshing Cogs or Memories of the Past. As for Huo and/or Lolcha, doesn’t matter. Obviously Huo sig has some minor buff, but who really cares, it’s better if they can keep you alive. Lolcha on Perfect Moment should be the choice here, but Huo can work as well, especially with a good Speed and even more Energy from Shared Feeling.

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2. So it looks like I’m getting her (I love her Ult animation; it looks so cool). Who are her best teammates from all the characters we have so far, I guess, including the ones that will release along with her (Misha and Sparkle)? I understand Kafka is very good with her and is coming in the next banner, but who else is good? I am not getting Ruan Mei (I don’t like her personality).

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   • Sampo, Gui, Luka, Serval, are good 4* DoT options. (hook is a weak fire DoT, but usable as a sub DPS [less preferd to tradtional DoT sub DPS], Gui prefered) (pick 2 options and a sustain to run with BS and let her DoT build)

     for sustain Huohuo is more or less the only good option, as she actually buffs the DoT units, and both Kafka and Swan use their ults a lot, but Luocha and FX work fine. Bailu and Gepard also work. Nat and Lynx are good options, but again only huohuo really is a benefit other then keeping the team alive. (chose comfort here, Luocha has 0 SP usage so he is probably 2nd best so you can spam skills with BS and Kaf)

     if it’s only dual DoT with Kafka then her S1 (Patience Is All You Need) LC will help to maximize both of their damage, as the addtional DoT will allow Kafka to max out Stacks per turn without the need for a break or 3rd DoT unit.

     in the dual DoT format:
     – Asta is good and her BA has a low chance to cause burn which would mean you don’t need S1 patience (it still helps), and her Atk buff is great and both Kafka and BS want as much turn advantage as possible to front / back load more damage. (also helps Gui get a 2nd burn she wants)
     – Tingyun being an ST buffer is a hard choice between Kafka and Black swan, as both really want energy and Atk buff (BS needs to build EHR so her lower Atk stat being supplamented is a good call),
     – Pela does Pela things, and stacking Def shread is always good (unless you hit 100%),
     – Bronya has similar issues to Ting having to choose between 2 really good options,
     – Hanya for SP support isn’t needed, and her ST speed is again gonna be wanted by both carries
     – Yukong if you are E6 (or speed turn crazy) might be a real good sleeper pick with her skill buff only having 2 stacks, getting her to be infront of both BS and Kafka should work well / but for max benefits you need yukong to have bow string up for the enemy turn I believe.
     – SW does SW things, not needed as DoT tends to brute force damage anyways, but doesn’t hurt.

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     • Sparkle is like Bronya, so more selection issues, she also like Bronya buffs a lot of CR/CD which DoT units don’t use or need.
       her extra SP is mostly used on her, but her Damage buff if played properly is 48% damage buff which applies to DoTs. (and accelerates your DoT detonations and/or Sacrament stacks)
       if you do spring for sparkle, her 12% speed E1 will really help out.
       but sparkle personally is looking to want to be run in mono quant with her A6 trace

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     • Addendum 2:
       if you are running dual DoT (not Kafka):
       then important notes,
       – Sampo needs E4 to enable Black Swan’s A4 trace, to stack Sacrament (her DoT) on his turn (E4 to turn on stacking, but if lucky can cap stacks 3 times on the elite and twice on something else)
       – Luka needs E6 to get more then 1 stack (Stacks on Enhanced basic attack, once by default 3 times at E6)
       – Gui should be run with Asta, Hook, or Himeko as she only Detonates DoTs on ult, she will stack less consistently (and more slowly, but needs no Eidolons).

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     • so getting Kafka’s LC is better than BS’s LC ?

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       • Kafka LC helps both more, unless you’re running triple DoT.

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   • Being completely honest with you, running more than 2 dot characters are not very wise desicions because Kafka’s mech requires all dots to be damaging, which means you need to get all characters very good stats with atk and spd. I know you do not like RM but her tool is very helpful to dot team with all ele res pen and all dmg increase especially with dot team usually having multiple elements in the team. Dot only cares about atk, dmg, pen, def. So I would still suggest to run Kafka, BS, Huohuo, and RM. Without RM the best you can use would be Asta which can grant you speed and atk that allows you to get more BS stacks and Kafka skills. However, potentially, you may run into points issues with that.

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3. Thinking of running HuoHuo, Ruan Mei, Kafka and Black Swan…

   Solitary Healing S3 or Eyes of the Prey S4? still waiting for my last copy of EotP :,(

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   • Eyes of prey
     Solitary healing is kinda mid and BS scales with ehr

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4. daaamn… I lose 50/50 in RM Banner, Black Swan is good with Kafka and RM and HuoHuo. Hell this team can decimate any match

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5. most confusing kit ever, they really try so hard to make Black swan not being abused byKAFKA kit.

   the result we player cant even predict will black swan have synergy with kafka or just being kafka 2.0

   you guys better skip her
   meanwhile i going to pull for her DOMAIN EXPANSION.

   regardless she not working with kafka or just being kafka 2.0 IDC💀

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   • They synergise together pretty well, was tested.

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   • Black Swan really just pulled self-embodiment of perfection huh…

     On another note her kit is good, and she’ll still go well with Kafka

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   • Kafka can trigger black swan’s sacrament stacks because it counts as wind shear

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     • It only counts as wind shear during ult
       outside of that it’s just wind DoT

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       • If sacrament is only counted as wind shear during her burst would Kafka trigger it out of BS’s burst? cause one of the lightning DoT’s Kafka can make is called erosion and its still triggered, is it counted as shock just with a different name?

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         • Kafka Skill and Ult, as well as most SU Nihlity buffs, use the wording, “all DoTs” (in the generic), and not specifying “Wind Shear, Burn, Shock, Bleed”,

           – The reason why Erode (from her Signature LC) has the line that counts it as shock, is probbably so that it works without Kafka’s A2 trace which causes Ult to detonate “all currently applied DoT sources”, which used to be an Eidolon instead.

           If BS doesn’t work with Kafka she won’t work with Nihility in SU, which would be wierd.

           BS ult line is meant to allow Sampo, Luka, Guin to utilize her damage.

   • yes, sure there is room for interpretation but it sounds like the 240% + the 12% stacks are supported by kafkas skill and ultimate only empiphany, the 3 stack and 7 stack effect are not (because they only apply on the start of the enemy turn) and seeing some beta footage with both chars even confirms this. she is basically 2x sampo with def reduction on top of that and 4 different dot statuses what is beneficial in SU and how is she kafka 2.0? kafkas damage depends on other chars damage and could be considered as damage support and black swan is just pure damage.

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6. okay, important and somehow stupid question

   Epiphany make sacrament count as sacramant, bleed, burn, shock adn WS.

   does this mean that if i use kafka skill or ult on a target with sacrament and epiphany, it deal the dmg from sacrament 5 times?

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   • of course only once. it’s still just 1 DoT by itself. the Ult basically just allows it to interact with other DoT-related mechanics that need the specific DoT types.

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   • When Hook attack Burned targets and get some benefits from talent, for example.

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7. At E0, between her and Blade. How good is she as a Wind damage/weakness dealer?
   Since I only have Sampo as wind dealer, it’s quite difficult if the enemy mainly has a wind weakness in MOC

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   • I mean she’s a DoT character. If you don’t have Kafka she’s a lot less valuable unless you’re a waifu gamer.

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     • I build him because Kafka

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   • as a wind damage deal she is powerful due her high def shread/ def ignore
     as a weakness breaker she is inferior to Sampo and blade

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     • who cares about break if she can kill before 😂

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   • Bladeeee!
     If you want a wind dps Blade is the better option here, he’s better at breaking and in wind focused battles should perform better
     Buuuttt, Black Swan is probably better at brute force, since DoT teams are generally pretty good at brute forcing fights because of their diversity

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     • Also I’m biased as a day 1 Blade main

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       • Welcome to Blade mains team

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     • There is no way this is correct. With the scaling and the powercreep the game has..
       Blade is cool and tanky and all, but yelling “Blade is better” with no facts is not the move..

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8. my original plan was to put her with Kafka, RM, and Huohuo, but after seeing her kit, maybe its better to swap RM with other DoT char? my RM is E1S0

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   • RM will provide better surviability to the team, and while you can say she has a bit of an anti synergy with Black Swan, I’d still say having her is probably better then not. Kafka S1 will provide 2 DoTs, and with BS A4 passive will stack 3 on each skill and Ult. Sampo can apply 3 stacks on skill, and Luka can apply 3 stacks on Enhanced basic attack, Gui unless the enemy is Ulted and has fire break only adds 1 per ultimate. and all 3 only add 1 before enemey turn

     To explain the semi anti synergy, Black swan wants as much time between enemy turns as possible to allow for more allied turns to stack more Detonations, RM’s Rebloom effect (break recovery block) has an action delay effect, so unless RM has like 500% BE (20% of 500% is 100% action delay) you’re better off taking the enemy hit and full stacking again (the break point is probably effectivly much lower, as your team should already be advanced in the action order), this mostly comes up when BS Ults and applies Ephifany, as you don’t want to waste the full stack.

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     • also the damage bump to both Kafka and BS should be larger then the DoT sub DPS, but this is just guess work, no real calulcations on that one.

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       • tysm for ur explanation. Luckily I have E1S1 Kafka too, so I might just run this team. Hopefully this team will meet my expectation

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9. I’m still confused as to whether Kafka explodes Sacrament and reset it to zero or not. Can anyone tell me because that “at the start of enemy’s turn” clause in her talent only let’s her get bonus on amount of Sacrament?

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   • Kafka can give extra stacks, but they dont reset
     Sacrament stacks only reset after the enemy’s turn starts and they take damage
     The only reason Kafka can do this is because of Black Swan’s A4 tho, enemies that take DOT from single target attacks recieve extra stacks, so Luka’s enhanced normal attack, Sampo’s E4, Guinaifen ult and Kafka should give extra stacks

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     • Doesn’t the talent first line say that there is a chance everytime they take DoT damage to gain on stack of sacrament?

       would that make so kafka skill and ult add a stack per debuff twice? once from BS talent and one from A4?

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       • The first line specifies “an enemey target recieves DoT damage at the start of each turn”, so only A4 allows out of turn detonations to stack, and they capped it at 3 for a reason. if you get 7 Dots on the target and Kafka Detonates she adds 3, (at like 120% EHR), but enemy turn start does not have a cap so can stack all 7 DoTs seperately. I’m unsure if her BA and Skill have no limit, or is limited to 5 (1 base + 1 per break DoT type), that is a bit unclear.

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   • should I get E1/E2 Black Swan for my Kafka team or should I get Ruan Mei + Black Swan

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     • oops didnt mean to comment here i was looking around lmao

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     • Should I get E1 (maybe even E2) Black Swan or should I get Ruan Mei and Black Swan? I have every DOT unit at E6

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       • it happened again
         this time im sure i didnt click anything or anyone whats going on

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     • I’m no theorycrafter but at a glance, her eidolons look nice but she’s gonna be incredibly strong at E0. But getting a new character will have way more value for your account and that is the case 99% of the time (see DHIL and Raiden E2/C2 for exceptions). RM is insanely good as well. She might have a little anti-synergy with debuffers like BS, causing their debuffs to tick down faster but together they still might be the strongest Kafka team. Also RM can easily be slotted in many other teams whereas BS eidolons will only boost your Kafka team.

       I will say though, unless you really want/need RM now, you could wait until the last few days of her banner. By then, BS will be in her final phase and we’ll be able to see if she’ll undergo any changes before her actual raunch

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10. Is sacrament considered DoT dmg?
    Whether it is or not, eyes of prey is probably okay on her (tutorial also seems very good if you have it)

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    • “While afflicted with Sacrament, enemy targets recieve Wind DoT equal to x% of Black Swan’s ATK”.

      It seems like it’s a non Wind Shear Wind DoT, so Eyes of the Prey will work, but Fermata won’t work (Until Ult is used).

      something like the Nihility/Hunt Interplay won’t count Sacrament, since it specifies Wind Shear, but Funeral of Sensory Pursuivant should apply Suspicion from Sacrament

      Shouldn’t work:
      Funeral of Sensory Pursuivant

      Litteraly everything else doesn’t care about DoTs or mentions DoT in the generic sense, and not Burn Wind Shear Shock Bleed.

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      • I didn’t expect it to be considered wind shear but whether it’s a DoT or not kinda makes or breaks her Kafka synergy
        if its a DoT that Kafka can detonate then it’s ridiculously good, if it’s a DoT but Kafka can’t detonate it then it’s okay, if it’s not a DoT at all then idk

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        • help me clarify things:
          Initially, sacrament is a Wind DoT, but when she use Ult, the sacrament will be considered as shock, bleed, burn, and shear? So, this will proc her LC passive? (4 stacks)

          Also how do u guys rate her LC? I just lost 75/25 on Ruan’s LC banner to Himeko’s LC. I might consider getting it if it’s any good

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        • Yes Sacrament is a DoT as it specifies it in the tool tip (currently) Kafka will be able to detonate it because her Skill and Ultimate detonates all DoTs indiscriminately. Meaning it doesn’t have to be a “wind shear”, “burn”, “bleed” or “shock” kinda like how her LC is a DoT but not specifically a “shock” DoT.

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          • TBH I thought erode was specified as a shock DoT, also thanks I reread her talent and it does specify sacrament is a wind DoT
            So theoretically Kafka could detonate a stacked up sacrament multiple times if she’s fast enough? because if so that’s amazing considering the multiplier sacrament has, since I’d assume stacks only reset to 1 when the enemy naturally takes DoT
            Unfortunately it does specify the additional effects ONLY happen on an enemy turn tho, so no repeated blast DoT

    • So far I watched some showcase video on CN server, her whole synergy with Kafka is… weird.
      Sacrament is a special DOT dmg, it can detonate by Kafka but that 3/7 sacrament stacks effects doesn’t benefit Kafka (no ignore DEF for Kafka). And the stacks will be gone as soon as the enemy take turn.
      Her ultimate that make enemy takes 30% more dmg also can’t benefit Kafka, since it only trigger when it’s enemy’s turn.
      Basically the buff/debuff that Kafka can benefit from BS is the reduce DEF on her skill.
      Meanwhile Kafka can stacks sacrament and trigger BS base DOT dmg, that’s it.

      Kafka and BS team is more like, they benefit each other just a little bit, but most of the time they’re fighting on their own. So far theorycrafter saying BS own dmg is not good enough, plus she need a lot of EHR too. U can’t say they’re not synergistic, but u also can’t say they’re a very huge upgrade on existing Kafka DOT team as people imagine.

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