 | 名词 | 知更鸟 |
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| 命途 |  同谐 | |
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| 行迹材料 | 3M 1841 6956 13958 12 8 | |
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| 等级 | 攻击力 | 防御力 | 生命值 | 速度 | 暴击率 | 暴击伤害 | 嘲讽 | 能量 | n/a |
| 1 | 87.12 | 66 | 174 | 102 | 5% | 50% | 100 | 160 | |
| 20 | 169.88 | 128.7 | 340 | 102 | 5% | 50% | 100 | 160 | 40005 |
| 20+ | 204.73 | 155.1 | 409 | 102 | 5% | 50% | 100 | 160 | |
| 30 | 248.29 | 188.1 | 497 | 102 | 5% | 50% | 100 | 160 | 800010 |
| 30+ | 283.14 | 214.5 | 566 | 102 | 5% | 50% | 100 | 160 | |
| 40 | 326.7 | 247.5 | 653 | 102 | 5% | 50% | 100 | 160 | 1600063 |
| 40+ | 361.55 | 273.9 | 723 | 102 | 5% | 50% | 100 | 160 | |
| 50 | 405.11 | 306.9 | 810 | 102 | 5% | 50% | 100 | 160 | 4000097 |
| 50+ | 439.96 | 333.3 | 880 | 102 | 5% | 50% | 100 | 160 | |
| 60 | 483.52 | 366.3 | 967 | 102 | 5% | 50% | 100 | 160 | 80000620 |
| 60+ | 518.36 | 392.7 | 1037 | 102 | 5% | 50% | 100 | 160 | |
| 70 | 561.92 | 425.7 | 1124 | 102 | 5% | 50% | 100 | 160 | 160K935 |
| 70+ | 596.77 | 452.1 | 1194 | 102 | 5% | 50% | 100 | 160 | |
| 80 | 640.33 | 485.1 | 1281 | 102 | 5% | 50% | 100 | 160 |
战技
 | 扑翼白声 - 普攻 | 单攻 |
| 能量恢复 : 20 | |
| 弱点击破 : 单攻 : 30 | |
| 对指定敌方单体造成等同于知更鸟 对敌方单体造成少量物理属性伤害。 | |
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 | 翎之咏叹调 - 战技 | 辅助 |
| 能量恢复 : 30 | |
| 弱点击破 : 0 | |
| 使我方全体造成的伤害提高 使我方全体伤害提高。 | |
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 | 千音迭奏，群星赋格 - 终结技 | 辅助 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| 知更鸟进入【协奏】状态，使除自身以外的队友立即行动。 处于【协奏】状态时，我方全体攻击力提高，提高数值等同于知更鸟攻击力的 处于【协奏】状态时，知更鸟免疫控制类负面状态，【协奏】状态结束前不会进入自己的回合且无法行动。 行动序列上出现【协奏】倒计时，倒计时回合开始时知更鸟退出【协奏】状态并立即行动，倒计时固定拥有 进入【协奏】状态，使我方全体攻击力提高，并使队友立即行动，攻击后知更鸟额外造成物理属性附加伤害。【协奏】状态期间自身免疫控制类负面状态，状态结束前不会进入自己回合且无法行动，直至倒计时结束。 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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 | 调性合颂 - 天赋 | 辅助 |
| 能量恢复 : 0 | |
| 弱点击破 : 0 | |
| 使我方全体暴击伤害提高 使我方全体暴击伤害提高，且我方角色攻击敌方后知更鸟额外恢复能量。 | |
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 | 攻击 |
| 能量恢复 : 0 | |
| 弱点击破 : 单攻 : 30 | |
| 攻击敌人，进入战斗后削弱敌方目标对应属性韧性。 | |
 | 酣醉序曲 - 秘技 | 辅助 |
| 能量恢复 : 0 | |
| 弱点击破 : 0 | |
| 施放秘技后，在自身周围展开持续 在自身周围制造特殊领域。领域内敌人不会攻击知更鸟。领域展开期间进入战斗后，每个波次开始时知更鸟额外恢复 | |
行迹
 | 即兴装饰 |
| 需要角色晋阶 4 | |
| 处于【协奏】状态时，我方全体发动追加攻击造成的暴击伤害提高 | 20000511 |
 | 攻击强化 (攻击力) |
| 需要角色晋阶 4 | |
| 攻击力提高 | 2000054 |
 | 生命强化 (生命值) |
| 需要角色晋阶 5 | |
| 生命值上限提高 | 4500033 |
星魂
 | 微笑的国度 |  |
| 处于【协奏】状态时，我方全体全属性抗性穿透提高 |
 | 两者的午茶 |  |
| 处于【协奏】状态时，我方全体速度提高 |
 | 倒悬的弦宫 |  |
| 战技等级+2，最多不超过 |
 | 雨滴的钥匙 |  |
| 施放终结技时，解除我方全体的控制类负面状态，使我方全体在知更鸟处于【协奏】状态期间的效果抵抗提高 |
 | 孤星的眼泪 |  |
| 普攻等级+1，最多不超过 |
 | 月隐的午夜 |  |
| 处于【协奏】状态时，终结技造成的物理属性附加伤害的暴击伤害额外提高 |
光锥
| 名词 | 稀有度 | 命途 | 攻击力 | 防御力 | 生命值 | 战技 | n/a | |
 | 齐颂 | 3 | harmony-class | 317.52 | 264.6 | 846.72 | 进入战斗后，使我方全体的攻击力提高 |   |
 | 轮契 | 3 | harmony-class | 317.52 | 264.6 | 846.72 | 使装备者施放攻击或受到攻击后，额外恢复 | |
 | 调和 | 3 | harmony-class | 317.52 | 264.6 | 846.72 | 进入战斗时，我方全体速度提高 |  |
 | 记忆中的模样 | 4 | harmony-class | 423.36 | 396.9 | 952.56 | 使装备者的击破特攻提高 | |
 | 与行星相会 | 4 | harmony-class | 423.36 | 330.75 | 1058.4 | 进入战斗后，当我方目标造成与装备者相同属性的伤害时，造成的伤害提高 |  |
 | 舞！舞！舞！ | 4 | harmony-class | 423.36 | 396.9 | 952.56 | 当装备者施放终结技后，我方全体行动提前 |  |
 | 镂月裁云之意 | 4 | harmony-class | 476.28 | 330.75 | 952.56 | 在战斗开始时以及当装备者回合开始时，随机生效1个效果。该效果生效时，替换上次的效果且本次不会与上次重复。效果包含：使我方全体攻击力提高 | |
 | 但战斗还未结束 | 5 | harmony-class | 529.2 | 463.05 | 1164.24 | 使装备者的能量恢复效率提高 | |
 | 过往未来 | 4 | harmony-class | 423.36 | 396.9 | 952.56 | 当装备者施放战技后，使下一个行动的我方其他目标造成的伤害提高 | |
 | 镜中故我 | 5 | harmony-class | 529.2 | 529.2 | 1058.4 | 使装备者击破特攻提高 每个波次开始时，我方全体立即恢复 |  |
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| 名词 | 稀有度 | 类型 | 配方 | |
| 信用点 | 3 | 角色晋阶材料, 战技 养成材料, 行迹升级材料 | |
| 蓄梦元件 | 2 | 光锥强化, 角色晋阶材料, 战技 养成材料, 行迹升级材料 | |
| 流梦阀门 | 3 | 光锥强化, 角色晋阶材料, 战技 养成材料, 行迹升级材料 | |
| 星际和平工作证 | 4 | 角色晋阶材料 | |
| 造梦马达 | 4 | 光锥强化, 角色晋阶材料, 战技 养成材料, 行迹升级材料 | |
| 云际音符 | 2 | 光锥强化, 战技 养成材料, 行迹升级材料 | |
| 空际小节 | 3 | 光锥强化, 战技 养成材料, 行迹升级材料 | |
| 天外乐章 | 4 | 光锥强化, 战技 养成材料, 行迹升级材料 | |
| 蛀星孕灾的旧恶 | 4 | 战技 养成材料, 行迹升级材料 | |
| 命运的足迹 | 5 | 战技 养成材料, 行迹升级材料 |
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467 responses to “知更鸟”
im going to strip tingyun naked and give robin all her clothes
should be okay right? it’s speed atk% mostly
sorry fox lady but I spent all the 3x farming other stuff…
Basically. People are saying she doesn’t need much speed actually as she spends most of her time in her ult. They say just build enough to be action advanced to act first for the skill which is said to be around 121 speed. It sounds logical at least. But you can probably go beyond that and I doubt it’ll actually be detrimental as long as you’re hitting the needed attack.
Oh right yeah that makes things easier
robin seems super low investment in general irrespective
i really like the fact they made ult cr cd fixed
yeah given how many enemies can slow you down in the game. Along with how common attack % is. Most likely won’t drag you down, if you have a bit more than the ideal speed for her. Given rng be rng for these artifacts. for long as they are trying to build her with stats she benefits from. she should still be a good support and not the nightmare that is the one person who was building seele as a tank.
Interesting phrasing but pretty much
(If you’re like me with a 161 spd tingyun then replace the boots with atk% on robin)
Her ultimate set her crit dmg to 150, does she get more crit dmg from relics? I know her spd is fixed but crit is set.
She will not gain crit dmg from stats
she WILL benefit from aventurine’s crit DMG taken debuff
ooh I didn’t know that. Even better for my build then
also the bonus crit damage taken from Topaz’s signature Lightcone, but NOT from topaz’s E1 (since Robin’s extra damage is not a follow up attack)
I’m getting Robin since she seems to perform as well as RM in DoT teams and I have no limited harmony characters, but is her E1 worth it compared to getting RM + Sparkle or E1S0/E0S1 Sparkle instead? Or Sparkle + Jiaoqiu? (assuming JQ’s kit doesn’t change massively)
I have an E2S1 Bronya, E0S1 Acheron, E2S1 Kafka, and an E0S0 Seele. I’m just interested in enhancing my Acheron and Kafka teams tbh, but benefitting Seele would also be nice.
Should I pull for Robin or Topaz?
I want to do a full fua team (I have Ratio + Aventurine built and I’m also planning on building Clara later) I want to know who would be better to pull for
Also for the light cones, I have a Stellar Sea that I can S5 for Topaz, and for Robin… uhhh idk what’s good for her
If more info is needed then I’ll give more
Ideally it would be both. With the main FuA team (Ratio, Robin, Topaz, and Aventurine) practically all characters in the team are imperative to having it work. With one missing the viability of the team does take a considerably large hit compared to other meta teams with only limited 5 stars like DoT. Without Topaz the number of actions to feed robin would be pretty sharply decreased leading to a decent amount less damage, plus Topaz’s FuA damage boost is pretty big. Without Robin, apart from Ruan Mei theres not really any great harmony unit that can buff Ratio, Topaz and Aventurine. The insane value from Robins ultimate is too hard to miss out on even if you’re running Ruan Mei in her place.
If you really had to choose one and only one I would go with Robin because shes probably going to be decently strong outside of FuA teams leading to a bit of versitility. The FuA team is very high investment so its really, in the wise words of Aventurine, ALL OR NOTHING when it comes to who to pull for
i’d say Topaz,
she grant a unique value to your FuA team, you can replace robin by another teamwide buffer when there’s no ‘topaz like’ unit
BUT Topaz is also expensive because her true potential is at E1S1, i assume you don’t have that much jade if you ask this question
so it will depend if you have Ruan mei; if you do then you don’t need robin; if you don’t then Robin will add more value to your team.
Nevermind go full for Topaz.
when a character get so much dumb hate here then you know it’s a great one lol
(peolples keep arguing than acheron is a terrible Dps btw)
I like the way you think xD
Well from the sounds of things. Since they can s5 a light cone. sounds like they have enough for both. Which given this is about helping the op. I think that should be the main focus. Since after all both would be able to help with a follow up attack team.
OP said he can S5 Cruising in the Stellar Sea, which is the Herta shop lightcone. No jades involved in getting it.
Omg, please buggy man, don’t listen to the advice here
Topaz is a dog**** unit, I’m sorry but there’s no way to put it. A contender for the worst in the game. In order for her to be an upgrade in Ratio teams you need E1S1, and by upgrade I mean barely becoming worthy of consideration.
Robin is a stellar unit, on par with Ruan Mei. You should run Ratio + Pela(Sw can also work) + Robin + Aventurine . It was tested, and at lower investments (if ur asking who to pull I assume this is the case) it’s significantly better and more comfy.
Is that true? I’ve never heard anyone else say Topaz is bad for Ratio, and every source I’ve ever seen actively recommends Topaz for Ratio, especially now with Aventurine. I even just looked at some MoC stats for Ratio and the majority of people are pairing him with Topaz even at E0. That 1.5x multiplier to all follow-up attack damage is a massive buff to any follow-up DPS, and Ratio is no exception to that.
In this case, Robin would probably be better as a universal pull that would have value for Ratio/Clara and in other teams, but Topaz is just fine if looking to build only for Ratio+Clara, and especially if bug man has 1 or 2 other limited harmony characters that would fill in the gaps otherwise..
She’s not. Far from it. But for someone that does not have a teamwide harmony at all and can only get one or the other, Robin is probably a better pick.
Given Robin does offer 20 crit damage for the whole party. that does make her rather universe for many teams. Even when not on a follow up attack team. 50% damage boost to the whole party? Very nice. Lots of characters can make use of that. attack buff, when in ultimate to the whole party and action advance? Nice very nice. many characters would love that.
Yeah if one had to pick between the two. Robin seems to be the better pick. For if you like messing around with different teams and set of characters. Robin would be useful on way more teams than Topaz. Due to only a small part of her kit helping with follow up attacks. with most benefits being universal.
Topaz is not good for Robin. It’s the other way around, Robin is amazing at bringing Topaz to life, since she attacks so often.
However, believe it or not, unless you have E1S1 Topaz, the highly regarded Ratio/Topaz/Robin/Aventurine, is actually worse than the Pela version (instead of Topaz). Even the Robin salesman, Chewwy was annoyed by how many people demanded to see the team, because it’s quite frankly mediocre.
She’s just all around a terrible unit. I think the only situation where Topaz was desired was against the Meme zone boss, since it was a rare instance of an enemy weak to both Imaginary and Fire. And pumping soo much investment into her, just so she can become a character is laughable.
Only get Topaz if you like the character. I would highly advise against it, if ur expecting a meta team or outstanding performance.
with topaz e0s0 ratio and ruin mei you still got 3-4 debuffs
topaz debuff
ratio debuff
ruin mei ult debuff
and also you got that ulti debuffs and break debuffs
I really don’t wanna have this argument. Topaz is not a unit I’m passionate about. Excluding the fact this talk was about ROBIN, Topaz’s debuffs are incredibly finicky.
Yeah Ratio has a Debuff… AFTER HE SKILLS. Yeah Run Mei has a debuff, AFTER you attack once. Rm’s debuff has a 2/3 uptime. Aventurine is only AFTER you cast his ult, idk the uptime ngl… but point being
With an E0S0 Topaz and Ratio YOU WILL NOT ALWAYS HAVE enough debuffs to have 100% Follow Up Proc Rate. That’s just awkward. Shows you haven’t played the team, or are trying to cope
As a follow up to the whole Pela is better than Topaz in a Robin team, don’t even trust my take for it. Even Prydwen themselves, in Robin’s prerelease analysis thingy, at her best themes put a small Disclaimer
The team is ONLY AN UPGRADE if you have Aventurine and Topaz’s Lightcones BECAUSE ELSE YOU DON’T HAVE ENOUGH DEBUFFS. Idk why you guys are arguing this if you are clueless about the game. At this point idc, just join a discord server and talk to someone with a TC crafter role or sum
A word of advice: if you didn’t want to have this argument, then you need to stay away from your first comment where you attacked Topaz. That’s just asking for people like some of the other responders to want to argue with you.
You aren’t wrong by any means, but you’re arguing about something completely different than the original question. “Bug man” said Robin OR Topaz, so their teams would look like Aventurine/Ratio/Pela + Topaz/Robin, plus another team for Clara + Robin/Topaz once they have Clara built up. Power-wise, Robin may be better, but Topaz still works just fine in both teams in that slot. She’s far from “a contender for the worst in the game;” you’d rather have Topaz in a Ratio team than Tingyun, Asta, Hanya, no?
Ratio’s skill should have 100% uptime after the 1st turn (i dont remember if it applies before to the FuA chance from the same skill) and Topaz has 100% uptime on whoever she’s targeting
With slow enemies Aventurine can maintain Unnerved on the target, otherwise you can time ults a little to alternate between rebloom and unnerved
Having Topaz E1 or S1 or Avneturine S1 fixes this
That’s also not including breaks for more debuffs or action delays for more uptime
It’s hard to sit idly and watch, when poor buggy is weighing Rusted Copper and Gold, and y’all are telling him to bet on the former…
Ruan Mei is indisputably the best character in the game, Robin rivals her, even if you argue she’s weaker, in no way shape or form are they in different ball parks. Saying you should rather pull for Topaz of all units is pure waste. These aren’t pokemon that jump out of grass, these characters cost hundreds of dollars.
Look I understand Topaz tickles you right, you liked the way she’s shaped and splurged, and now you have to cope with your bad decision. That content creators desperate for relevance in a game devoid of content are hyping everything up and acting like all is fine and dandy to reaffirm you.
But the cold harsh truth is, regardless of hurt feelings, not everyone is born equal. Someone has to be the worst. That character is sadly Blade followed by Topaz. It’s just insulting to offer advice, if you believe Topaz has any business competing with Robin for any meta relevance.
Queue: Whee, that’s not true, Blade and Topaz are stonk. Are they? Whose weaker? Seele whose been 0 Cycling every MOC since launch? JY? Search a 0 Cycle of JY and compare it to Blade/Topaz, then count the number of Eidolons and 5 Lightcones needed for each respective clear. It’s really not that hard to admit your favourite character isn’t the strongest. Just don’t bs others into pulling for them.
Well content creators tend to do two to three things. act like every new unit is the second coming of Jesus, go this unit can’t be power creep and then a few months later talk about how said unit that can’t be power creep got power creep.
All they want is to milk views with clickbait and what better way to do so than to get rage and hate clicks? It’s why Sevyplays is the only one I watch. She’s always (at least from my experience) pretty honest about characters’ strength and weaknesses and just provides you with all the info and lets you decide if this character is good for you or not.
You are lacking the understanding of the game and topaz value, try to get better and when wright stupid thing online, thanks in advance
“wright” lol. He’s not wrong btw, Topaz is more like a support than dps, so she’s very replaceable with any harmony or nihility. Ratio in overall is the better FUA hunt.
this comment thread has made me rather interested in what counts as heavy investment and what counts as low investment.
I guess the most agreed upon answer is “Needs too many jades in Characters and Lightcones for Viability”
Yeah that sounds like a fair idea of what counts as investment. Can they be used solo or how many characters/how easy they are to get to make them really shine. Of course I always think of relics. Since they are very rng and can heavily effect, how well a character performs.
i’d like to throw in my two cents regarding this take; i pretty much agree with everything waifu said except for the part about topaz being one of the worst chars in the game
topaz performing worse than pela in ratio teams does not mean that she is a bad unit; she still strengthens the team quite a lot and you would prefer her to someone like bronya or smth in that team. i dont think labelling a limited 5* unit is bad since every single one of them provides a lot of value to your account as a whole
what i will say, however, is that topaz is one of the worst limited 5*s in the game IN TERMS OF PULL VALUE
when looking at who to pull, i usually consider what you are missing out on if you pull this char. assuming you can only go for one, by going for topaz you are missing out on an extremely good ruan mei sidegrade, whereas if you go for robin, you are missing out on going for a unit that performs comparatively to pela in her best team. you should also consider future units, like jiaoqiu, and future reruns. no unit is a bad pull, but some units do more for your account than others.
Topaz is the “Key” of FUA Team. You can’t play this team without her.
1.You can’t find a DPS with bunches of debuffs for “other teammates” like her.
– Proof of Debt: 50% more DMG
– Tame: 24% more DMG
– Debtor: 50% more DMG
2.Her DMG alone is high enough since she takes like 2-4 times per turn so we can say that she is also the main DPS in this team, not just sub-DPS or SP generator.
3.And the main reason is she proc more FUA from other teammates. It works like this.
– Topaz’s FUA -> more Aventurine’s FUA and more Jade’s FUA.
– Aventurine’s FUA -> more Topaz’s FUA.
– Jade’s FUA -> more Topaz’s FUA.
– Topaz’s FUA -> more Aventurine’s FUA and more Jade’s FUA.
Robin isn’t really “needed” but she will make the team stronger for now. But since she can’t proc more FUA for other teammates herself because her attack isn’t FUA, she will be replaced in the future.
Ratio is trash. His damage is high but that’s all.
my brother in christ i would like to personally thank you for your contribution to the FUA industry. your work will not be go unoticed and we hope you get jade e1s1 in only 10 pulls
What else do you need from a main DPS tho? xD If his damage is high, then he’s doing what he’s supposed to, no?
Only thing I can think of, is they try to take him into content meant for more aoe/follow up attack characters. When he more of a single target character.
Beside that, given most look for damage from a main dps. Yeah seems kind of odd that is a issue.
Could be a case of Man Hate but they mention Aventurine so that’s unlikely. Maybe a free character hate.
Good point. Could be they just like female characters over males. Since well part of the game is to collect your favorite characters. Which free character is also a fair point. Since some do dislike or think a character is bad just due to being free.
Put your money where your mouth is. If Ratio is trash and Robin isn’t needed, show us what the follow up team can do. Make Topaz shine. Do a 0 cycle or something with Topaz.
Oh wait you can’t. Topaz doesn’t make any team shine. There are teams that can accommodate and make Topaz look good, but an E0S0 Topaz is a burden. Pela is better in every way. Take it from someone whose 2nd favourite DPS is Ratio, and 0 cycled a bunch of MoCs with him. Ratio’s best team is (arguably) Pela, Tingyun and Sparkle. Trying to squeeze Topaz anywhere in there just sabotages is.
oh and fun fact. Topaz doesn’t even give ratio enough Debuffs for Ration to guarantee his follow up attack, making the entire team just scuffed lel
man if topaz is so trash explain why she’s at the top of pwryden’s tier lists since her release, jesus christ
hating on a character is fine but blantantly ignoring their viability is too far, no? dont forget topaz has her own personal damage too while amplifying followups significantly more than any other unit that isn’t called robin
My personal experiences with Prydwen have been deplorable and left a sour taste in my mouth. After being invite to a private server, their literal greeting was “Oh another Prydwen refugee”. They are close minded, aggressive and will ban you for no reason, even if they admit you didn’t break any rules.
It’s a joke to all that’s theorycrafting (slight exaggeration lmfao), which spares no second in putting their biases on display, nor allow for criticism or nuance discussions to take place. No one takes their list seriously.
A lot of 5 stars don’t deserve their place on the list. You can argue Pela is arguably stronger than Silverwolf, DEFINETLY NOT a tier bellow her wtf. Kafka has no business being S+. Sure she’s strong, and future value even more impressive, not rn she’s just a solid strong S. Sparkle is not on the same tier as Ruan Mei. IL is an overrated DPS, whose performance is similar to Ratio. Seele being compared to JY and QQ is borderline offensive
Certain standard 5 stars and 4 stars simply feel ignored and thrown aimlessly, under the pretext “meh no one will care anyway”. Lynx is in no universe a better sustain than Gepard or Bailu. Yq and Wind DH are both severely under placed. Yukong being in C tier, despite being an irreplaceable support in this particular rotation, due to her high break being almost mandatory to break the Dino is criminal.
These are all merely mild takes anyone with any bit of critical thinking who dabbled into optimizing the game should agree with. Not gonna throw anything hot here for obv reasons. Soo yeah, Topaz is def well represented in A tier.
Their tierlist is so dog, they are literally remaking it in 2.2 btw. Guess having 9 units in the BROKEN MUST PULL S+ TIER, wasn’t a good idea aftercall.
Genuinely, respectfully, prydwens tier list is dogshit. Their criteria are good, problem is they don’t follow their own criteria and misplace units based on data that does not accurately indicate a characters strength.
Lynx isn’t better than Gepard or Bailu, Yanqing is in no way as dogshit in MoC as Herta and E6 Yukong is in no world a C tier unit.
Prydwen should never be taken as gospel, I like to see their takes on things but the list has plenty of issues
Yeah when it comes to tier list in generals. Just to join in on here. It best to take most of them with a gain of salt.
Since well, there is normally alot of info lacking. To fully explain ah yes, x is good/bad for y reasons.
Wait, I swear I saw Waifu Invigilator reply in this chain. Did it get deleted?
No their replies are still there
Thanks for the info guys, looks like I’ll be pulling for Robin first
Here’s also some extra info, that I didn’t say originally: I have every harmony character EXCEPT Ruan Mei
I am f2p. so 5* Eidolons/Sig Light Cones are not a factor for me,
Right Now, the Ratio team I run is Aventurine, Ratio, Pela, and Asta,
The other main team I run is Gallagher, Jing Yuan, Sparkle, Tingyun.
I am planning on building Clara later, as well as Herta, and I would like to build Himeko if I get her at some point (basically I want to have all FuA characters built)
I am glad you were able to reach a conclusion, despite all the drama and arguments. Goodluck on your pulls 😀
Robin’s the generally better unit to answer simply because this thread turned into something completely different
And use the free event LC on her if you get her
Oh nvm you already got your answer I didn’t see it in everything else 💀
i just want to clear something up here:
robin is NOT a ruan mei that gives more value to FUA teams.
robin is a ruan mei that gives more value to teams THAT DAMAGE ENEMIES OFTEN.
those statements are really similar given the inherent nature of FUA, but there is a clear distinction to be made.
she just works really well with units like ratio, who just happens to be damaging enemies twice each turn due to how his fua works, and aventurine, who just happens to damage enemies more often than any other sustain due to his fua.
robin is going to give more value to a seele that is triggering resurgence every turn than she is to a jing yuan who launches his fua every 2 turns.
robin is going to give more value to a blade who is getting hit often than she is to a clara who isnt getting hit at all.
robin is going to give more value to a qingque that triggers autarky than a seele that isnt triggering resurgence or a himeko who isnt breaking weaknesses.
heck, she’s going to give more value to a yanqing who frequently fuas than a jingliu. guys we did it yanqing has another niche
granted SAYING ROBIN IS A RM THAT GIVES MORE VALUE TO FUA TEAMS IS COMPLETELY FINE; its easier to say that ‘units that dmg often’, when people hear fua, they dont typically think of blade, they think of topraturine and its definitely better than saying sparkle is only for mono quantum (like bruh thats just objectively wrong), but there is a clear distinction to be made. robin’s performance with jade will be very reliant on how often jade can get her fua to proc, so not every unit who has a fua will benefit as much as the topraturine core will.
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i love your explanation but 3 out of the 4 examples are units with budget follow up attacks
like yaqing is a opposite ratio that his damage is from skill and fua is extra
blade fua is a budget of clara
and qq other attack is counted at fua and you better save for sparkle for that gremlin so yeah ._.
better examples i think would have been argenti with his ulti spam in pure fiction
shusang with 3 turns in a row (skill ult skill)
And Gallagher with his 3 turns in a row (skill ult skill)
my bad in gallagher i ment basic ult basic
yeah those probably wouldve been better examples lol
however i do actually see yanqing getting a lot of value out of robin, provided that you constantly proc his fua so that he attacks around as often as ratio
but do you really hatepipeapples?
Should I aim for E0S1 or E1S0 if I’m not able to finish MoC in 1-2 cycles.
I heard that when in a long fight, Robin will struggle because of 160 mana
well if your worry about ultimate cost. Her personal lightcone, does offer more energy recharge. While e1 helps more with damage.
Safe bet might be her lightcone. Given it would also be cheaper to get.
Now of course, how much damage would her e1 offer? Unsure. so might be a good idea to wait for someone to do the numbers on that.
I’ve always been an advocate for S1 over E1 (10 less pulls for pitty, 75/25 instead of 50/50, 4 star weapon dupes are better, 5 Star Lightcones have higher base stats so you don’t get one shot as easily)
Still, Robin’s E1 is vastly superior, at least on paper. With an event Lightcone tailor made for her as well, if you can, snatching her first eidolon might just be better. You are getting Ruan Mei’s ultimate after all (24 Res Pen)
Regarding ult uptime, you are heavily incentivized to clear the first wave while in Robin’s ultimate, failing to do so would be quite a blunder. As in, not triggering Seele’s resurgence. Since a new MoC wave resets her ultimate countdown, and makes her uptime much easier to manage ( E1’s extra damage helps with this)
cool so cool
So any idea how well she would pair up with a e2 Seele?
pretty dang good; just like with units like huohuo or yukong, seele can use resurgence when applicable to sneak in a little bit of extra energy for robin, as well as benefit from her physical dmg like tingyun’s benediction. in addition, robin’s buffs to atk and cdmg are a godsend to seele, since seele doesnt have any inherent buffs to atk or crit in her kit, just dmg% and res pen, so robin’s buffs will benefit seele more in comparison to someone like ruan mei. the action advance also indirectly buffs seele’s personal energy gain, since her getting an extra turn also means youre generating 30+ energy for her ult, though taking too many non-resurgence turns may result in lower buffed state uptime if youre not disappearing among the sea of butterflies often enough. i hesitate to say that she’s better than tingyun for seele, since the huge energy influx + boost to damage multipliers are just so good for seele, but you can def slot in robin if youre using tingyun for the other half or in 0-cycling shenanigans
thanks for the comment. Yeah was thinking, Something like Seele, Sparkle, Fu Xuan and Robin, as a team.