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1. can someone explain Firefly for dummies bc I don’t really understand all this but I Want Her

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   • Should be noted that a lot could change once v3 of beta comes out since its very likely for hoyo to tweak a lot of her kit

     Firefly is a Character based around break damage who relies on using ult to enhance herself, also passively can do a portion of toughness damage regardless of enemy weakness (aka she can always break, tho not nearly as well when attacking non fire weak)
     she starts with 50% energy no matter (meaning you can get her ult up on turn one) what and also gains damage reduction as she loses HP, she also for some reason has a lot of effect resistance in her kit
     at high break effect she can ignore a large chunk of enemy defense, she also gains break effect based off attack (every 100 attack above 240 increases break, up to +60% break at 3400 atk)

     Skill drains a lot of her health, but also refills half of her energy bar (two skill uses guarantees her ult)
     has massive energy cost for her ult, highest in the game at 240, but its made up for by how easy it is to actually get up due to her skill as well as the instant advance + massive speed boost it gives (up to +50 speed)

     After using her ult, both her basic attack and skill get enhanced, both attacks will also be able to heal her
     Skill now applies fire weakness (like sw’s implant but without resistance down), becomes a blast effect (3 targets with one priority) and now has increased multipliers based off her break effect

     TDLR: stack attack and break on her so she does massive break numbers; she can be built into crit due to how high her own multipliers can scale to but for that you would still need to maintain break effect and attack so she can upgrade her multipliers and get her defense shred (meaning critfly is a super high investment team to actually get to work decently well)
     main team for her is currently a super break team (pair her with Harmony TB and Ruan Mei) where you will want to fully stack break effect and speed, she can do really high superbreaks comparable to boothill at times with the bonus of being aoe and naturally being fast

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   • basically you want her to have as much atk and Break Effect as possible. Threshold to maximize her potential will be 3400 atk and 360% of break effect. Then you need to add in spd too whenever possible.

     currently her best line up consists of Harmony TB (a must), Ruan Mei (optional but definitely much better to have), and Gallagher (can sub for any other sustainer. but since Gallagher also scales with break effect, he’s currently the best in slot)

     She has two battle states (similar to Jing Liu), and your goal is to make sure she enters her enhanced state as soon as possible. Also similar to Jing Liu, when Firefly is outside her enhanced state, using skill 2x is guaranteed to allow her to enter her enhanced state. Now unlike Jing Liu who depends on her ultimate to maintain her enhanced state as long as possible, Firefly’s enhanced state works like Robin’s ultinate where there will be a countdown of sort that has fixed speed (it will appear on the action order. think about Jing Yuan’s LL mechanism too). So as long as that countdown hasn’t reached the top of action order, Firefly can enjoy her enhanced state for as long as she wants (that’s why you want to stack as much spd on her too). Mind you that in her enhanced state, she also gets a whopping 50 spd boost and enhanced break efficiency.

     basically Firefly needs to break opponents to unleash her maximum damage, but simply breaking enemies aren’t gonna cut it. That’s where Harmony TB with their SUPER BREAK mechanism comes in. When harmony TB’s buff is active, as long as you’re attacking BROKEN enemies, you can deal break dmg to them. That’s why I said harmony TB is the most essential support for Firefly. Ruan Mei will also helps (a lot) because she increases weakness breaks efficiency, she herself also gives break effect boost, and can delay recovery of enemies from their weakness broken state (basically enemies will stay in broken states longer, which is exactly what you want). Ruan Mei and harmony TB not only amplify each other’s potency, but also Firefly’s.

     Hope this makes you understand what’s at stakes if you want to pull for this lovely girl

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   • Has 2 basic attacks and 2 skills, normal and enhanced.

     Normal skill takes 50% HP but gives 50% energy.

     Ult, turns skill into enhanced skill for a short duration. After duration ends, you return to normal version of enhanced skill and basic attack.

     Enhanced skill deals more AoE, more dmg, and heals.

     Damage is focused on break damage. More BE = more damage.

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   • She basically is like Jingliu with her two forms, weaker outside of the enhanced form. You want to build ATK, SPD, and Break Effect.

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   • Firefly break unit. You want break-effect and attack.
     Ult costs alot of energy (tingyun and huo huo wont help)
     Skill costs 50% of firefly max hp but regenerates 50% max energy. (you start battle with 50% energy on firefly always).
     Ult makes firefly take turn again instantly and enhances her basic attack and skill and has a countdown like robin ult, she also cleanses all debuffs.
     Ult increases her speed by like 50 or 60, increases her weakness break efficiency by 50% (ruan mei buff) and increases the dmg weakness broken enemies receive from all sources.
     Enhanced skill and basic regen firefly health. Enhanced skill (blast attack) implant fire weakness on enemy so she can break them. She only places this weakness on primary target of blast.
     Her skill scales off attack and break effect (max break effect number it uses is 360, e.g. if you have 450 be it will still only use 360 for dmg calc)

     She wants break effect, attack and speed so far.

     Her traces want at least 360 break effect you can go for more though.
     250 be = 30% def ignore when attacking 360 be = 40% def ignore

     this is alot of break effect but there is some stuff that can help.

     another of her traces makes it so every 100 attack over 2400 gives her 6% break effect maxing out at 60% be at 3400 attack.

     Harmony MC and ruan mei are her best supports by far. They both give her break effect and Harmony MC gives her the ability to rebreak targets that are already weakness broken. This fixes firefly’s primary weakness that boothill doesnt possess.

     you probably want speed so her ult state breaks 180 speed to give her more turns while the ult state lasts.

     This is long and rushed but I hope it helped and was easy enough to understand.

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2. As a SAM main I’m happy that the loli has awful damage and needs HMC to do anything.
   Can’t wait until they release the real SAM 5* (after the loli dies in story).

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   • Firefly is NOT a loli lmao
     This is the real Sam 5* and if Firefly dies Sam is also gone

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     • Short girl = Loli apparently
       As Arataki numero uno Itto says, everyone shorter than him is a kid (he’s like 6’4)

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   • That sounds like can’t wait until Kamen Rider Zero-One released as a real 5-star character after Aruto Hiden dies in story. There is no real Sam. It is just a persona of Firefly.

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   • SAM = Firefly
     Cope harder

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   • bait used to take effort

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   • I’m a proud Loli Hater and even I know she’s not one lol She looks and acts her age unlike other characters. Like it’s fine to want them as separate characters but calling her a loli is pushing it xD

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3. Firefly mains rise! (I’m not included)
   She clears the current Moc in 1 cycle like Acheron!
   https://youtu.be/T6notxkdsMc?si=74zBDjnsF1KOoOpQ

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   • As the biggest Acheron hater there is, this showcase hurt to watch

     I unironically think this speed boots Acheron, with a sustainer could have 0 cycled. Not breaking Gepard before Acheron ulting, damage controlling so you enter the 2nd wave with both Pela and Silverwolf’s ultimate up. Terrible build and gameplay mistakes

     That’s not even taking into account, that running Fu Xuan was literally worthless, switch the boots to ATK, slot Sparkle in and enjoy. Tectone of all people was able to clear this side with Acheron, without any sustain. If you can’t do it, lol.

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     • Your slacking. No long post that takes up half the page, as to why Archeron is overrated?

       Of course Eggman can do it. They might be unable to defeat a blue animal that eats chili dogs but they are a genius that can make robots power by tiny little animals. Only a genius would be able to make such fuel effective robots.

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     • I like how Firefly in that video has somewhat relatable relics, then he shows what Acheron has.
       I mean, I wish I have that kind of relics. 90/260 crit in combat is what I’d have if I give Acheron Sparkle’s buff lol fuck me
       Nah, I’m happy enough in my 3 cycles Noobsville, dreaming of a day I’d have 161 SPD supports.

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       • Yeah being able to get like over 200 crit damage and still have a decent crit rate. takes some godly rng artifact luck or months possibly more of pure pain.

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   • but how can one be a Firefly main, if you can’t fly and are not on fire?

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   • The sad thing here is that THAT IS FIREFLY’S BEST TEAM ever.

     There will never be a replacement for Harmony TB + Ruan Mei combo.

     And Gallagher is already as good as a healer you can get for being Fire, break effect unit, and heals outside turns.

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     • you seem quite confused if you think hoyo will not expand on break effect teams and that FFs team will always looks like this

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   • Firefly isn’t a good zero-cycler just as it, because she needs 2 casts of normal skill to transform again. It is easy for her to melt the duo elite in the first wave within 3 swipes, but melting the last boss in the second wave at full toughness in 2 swipes is kinda impossible even if the boss was single-phased. To address this issue you must either give her alot of speed from substats and make intensive use of S5 DDD and possibly company her with Bronya and like, or somehow be able to regen 115 energy on her allowing 1 fewer cast of normal skill. Either way might not be feasible under many circumstances.

     However she is an expert 1-cycler, 2-cycler, and 3-cycler. Her damage output is stable, not relying on the relic builds and is hard to be hindered by the enemy given the break playstyle seldom allow the enemy to take turns, meaning it is as easy as drinking the water for Firefly to destroy any MoC in a reasonably fast speed.

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     • But are they faster than Sonic?

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     • I mean 1,2, or even 3 cycle is pretty great as is. It doesn’t have to be 0 cycle or nothing and I dunno why that’s such a widespread thing nowadays as though 0 cycling is the only way to play. It’s still 60 jades at the end of the day lol. Blasphemy I know.

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       • 5 cycles is good enough for the jades so…
         0 cycle is just for the funny “30 cycles remaining” screen at the end

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       • Zero-cycling, or simply reducing the cycles used to clear it, is just an entertainment when you have nothing better to play with on your account. Such an account can never have an issue merely clearing it without retries. You don’t zero-cycle and your phone don’t explode.

         However, when A quarrels with B about whether / why unit alpha is strong and good, A may query the internet for zero-cycling showcases of unit alpha to prove it while B may claim that zero-cycling showcases aren’t representitive for the cases of over 99% of the common players meaning it is not a prove. Interestingly, when it comes to unit beta, immediately B starts to query the internet for showcases of unit beta and it is now A who would not admit.

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         • Exactly. And it’s a bit self-realizing, as in your example B learns that A connects the ability to 0-cycle with strength, and as such learns to use that as an example of strength, which then can cause C to see that and start to do the same, and so on.

           The number of players who clear MoC 12 is a small fraction of the playerbase, and the people who try to 0-cycle it is a small fraction of that fraction Most people can’t 3* clear MoC 12, and most of those who can will just get their jades and get out rather than trying to challenge themselves for no extra reward.

         • What other metric should be used then?

           Don’t get me wrong, I agree 0 cycles shouldn’t exclusively be taken into account, but

           It shows characters under duress. It’s pointless to theory craft for a 5 cycle clear, you’re already playing sub optimally. When trying to optimize, and see the peak of every characters, all paths lead to a 0 cycle .

           You see, just like in life, not all cycles are equal. The “zeroth” cycle has a lot more Action Value in it. And it resets at the start of every wave. The longer a fast lasts, the more impactful speed becomes. But investing in speed lowers your damage, which makes the fight last longer… A LOT of supports lose value, Sparkle and Robin specifically appreciate short fights. Some DPS lose momentum, such as Acheron’s Crimson Knot generation. For other’s is redundant, IF your Jingyuan can’t clear the ads with ult, and sweep with LL ur in for a long fight etc

         • When I search the internet for zero-cycling showcases I find them doing all they can to cheat the rule of team cost they came up with somehow. (A team’s cost is the total number of 5-star characters and light cones in the team except for the trailblazer and the herta shop light cones.)
           • Extraordinarily high substats rolls on the relics;
           • More than ideal speed tuning of the whole team;
           • Intensive use of S5 DDD, sometimes even 2 copies of it in the same team;
           • Yukong at E6, who has high supporting power but way too inconvenient to use and it is very unlikely to have her at E6 because she rarely gets a rerun unless you got her at E6 at DHIL’s initial banner;
           • The downgrading of signature light cones into excellent replacements that do not count towards the team cost but is in fact ~90% power of the signature.

           You notice? The conditions of zero-cycling are way higher opportunity cost than just assigning more powerful limited units and light cones into your roster. There are absolutely more accounts that can afford having 5~7 limited items in a team and can clear the MoC suboptimally at 7~10 cycles than those who can film the zero-cycling showcases. The showcases are just a performance, an amusement for the community, and the reasonable and pragmatic master zero-cyclers do agree with it that the showcases can neither be your combat guide nor be the metric of unit power.

           You need a metric of unit power for any use afterall? To prove that your units are strong and good to someone who would not admit it? To laugh at the people who made the “wrong” choice to pull for some underpowered units in the last year? To train yourself to predict the units’ power level before the release? I don’t need it at all. I’m not a master zero-cycler and I can clear the MoC suboptimally at 5~7 cycles without retries, or 2~4 cycles when I retry alot to see how good I can do. I do so only for an entertainment when I have nothing better to do. I feel no need to prove to anyone that my units are strong and good because I know they are.

         • Slay

         • By the way, my primary DPS is Seele, who is considered the worst limited unit in history and would be forever, the first but no the last victim of powercreeping, a generous doner of relics and supports, and the Diluc / Klee counterpart in HSR. Everytime she was slandered, abandoned, spurned, distained by yet another unfortunate community member who got the wrong unit, I just don’t get it. She has been sharp and deadly in my hands, with her I fully conquered every season of MoC, PF, swarm disaster, and gold and gear and I never felt like she is hard to pilot or her damage is too low or something else and I don’t get it why she is hated. It is clearly not because of the power level, or the sheer number of Seele zero-cycling showcases should have earned her respect among the community. This, plays a major part why I have been dismissive of the community’s opinion of unit power level.

         • Being able to 0 cycle is amazing, no one can deny that. But at the end of a day, those are are just results. Interpreting them as metric for measurement is… bold. This is mostly because power level in this game is tied to RNG; characters, light cone, eidolons down to the despicable relic system.

           If we take 0 cycling as representations between E0S1 character vs E6S5, they both can archive same result of 0 cycle, but E6S5 one might take literal 1 turn compared to E0S1’s 2 turns. Would you say that they are both at the same power level?

           It gets even messier if we dare try to factor costs into this, because then we’d have to consider 4* options as well.
           For example; An absolute luck forsaken player clears MoC in 10 cycles with only 4* characters and another player clearing the same content at 5 cycles with all 5* roster. How do we interpret this data? LoL, this 10 cycles guy sucks ass?

           The answer is: They are accurate, that’s it. (God forbid the computers making computational errors.)
           We already have every metric information we need because they are shown on the very site we are on. (Numbers, characters’ stats, skill damage multipliers, enemy resistances, etc.)

           Again, the 0 cycling stuffs, either from intricate efforts or lunch money, are merely data.
           What you say about all paths lead to 0 cycle is accurate. But the way you interpret that is very different than some of us.

         • I have mainly heard from others, that she is being compare in 0 cycle is just mainly because of Boothill and Jingliu. Yea they do need a lot of investments and requirements like what you listed there, but to them even if given the same investment to Firefly, she can’t do it. Which is where their discontents come from

           On top of new niche gameplay + require to always run with another key unit ( even if they are free ) and barely work with other existing good characters. While Boothill, whose is technically have same break mechanic is doing better than her if people do invest into his team building or even Jingliu in similar fashion, and most of them aren’t picky with teammates that bad to remain inside the 2 – 4 cycle clear, and if given best teams, it is 0 – 1 cycles ( let not include Acheron, I feel like too many ppl biased about her these days ). Meanwhile Firefly just feel too inflexible in team building ( yes I know, her Fire implant make her universal better than almost every DPS in all situation )

           Plus the poor gameplay showcases on youtube where neither HMC or RM is present ( or even both ) making the run feel terrible ( for example the 9 cycle clear top half ), have make the majority of the community believe she is just that bad even for F2P casual play. Which is turn giving her current doompost status

           I myself do feel a bit of a shame about her can’t 0 cycle, but it is not big deal either way, I priority new fun playstyle than better records no one care about. But what I actually feel bad about her is that she just doesn’t feel unique enough, like how Boothill is. Not his dmg or 0 cycling, but it is that he himself is just a solid character of his own, while Firefly is require to always run with HMC to actually deal her own dmg as if forced to be a pair forever. Don’t get me wrong, I like them pairing up, just not this ” a must “, it is gacha game after all and we should be able to use whoever with whoever while still have good enough performance, not being cripple for not using the exact teammate. There should be a different between willingly and forced, unless they give Firefly for free than I am fine with whatever restriction here xD

           in short, Firefly should have something more unique in a break team more than just her fire implant and fast break ( I mean she is a break char, this should be baseline and not an advantage ) for me

4. guys i have a question
   my current build is 2pc firesmith 2pc BE & 2pc talia. ive been farming crit firesmith pieces, but i have 2 of them with high BE. can firefly use the extra fire dmg from the 2pc bonus? my ball has atk for now, because i was unsure if fire dmg would be useful or not

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   • no, dmg% or elemental dmg% have no impact to superbreak dmg. so yeah, it’s useless

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   • you should wait for the new break relic to release

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   • Hybrid wise, yeah she can probably get some use out of fire dmg bonus. Just make sure your build has enough break effect. Also ATK ball is best bc one of her traces gives her 6% break effect every 100 atk over 2400 to a max of 60% additional break effect. For building hybrid, ATK seems to be the best since it buffs the normal dmg and give BE for break dmg.

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   • “ive been farming crit firesmith pieces”

     yeah no, dont do that
     like at all, lol
     firesmith will always be subpar no matter what you use it on in the current state of the game since it really just doesnt do anything notable

     firefly’s current kit wants you to only focus on break effect, attack (up to 3400) and speed, and her best team runs her with super break, in which crit and damage bonus doesnt do anything
     hybrid firefly can be usable however with very high investment

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5. Hopefully they’ll fix her e1 def ignore. It’s not working rn.

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   • It does work, her E1 gives her ESkill 15% def ignore, Super Break and Break aren’t part of her ESkill so they’re not affected. This is how I understand it.

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     • That’s clearly not intentional but rather a bug. Welt’s signature light cone gives some atk% when casting the skill and the effect benefits additional damage from Welt’s talent properly, which isn’t considered part of Welt’s skill.

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       • Oh, true, good thing I was wrong then

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6. is MOC enemies rn have higher hp than before? especially kafka and gepard boss. or it just me didn’t have enough damage.

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   • They probably do but my Rat team performed the same as always. My DoT team struggled but they’re poorly built tbh xD

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     • They absolutely do
       Gepard in 2.0 MoC 12 had 600k or so HP whereas I believe he has 1million or so this time
       It’s probably balanced around the blessing, otherwise such a massive spike in 2 patches is… bad

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   • Yes, the devs intentionally increased the HP of many enemies in the MoC, especially when the Memory Turbulence is something strong.

     The MT we had vs. the Aventurine boss was a 15% HP damage every cycle and 30% vulnerability on the enemy’s side, which is very strong, leading to the devs increasing the Aventurine boss’s HP to ~1m per phase and ~2m in total.

     The MT we have for now is a 25% energy regen every cycle, which is almost a Huohuo for free, and 30% damage amp on every character, which is also very strong, plus the Gepard boss and the Kafka boss are not as strong as the Aventurine boss, and the devs desided they have to have ~1m HP to stand a challenge to the player.

     The MoC in the 2.3 patch has a MT that is not so useful for most of the teams, and the bosses there do not have HP as high as what we now have. The Cocolia boss there has ~838k HP and the Argenti boss there has ~628k HP per phase and ~1.3m HP in total.

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     • Cocolia you say? Cue the theme music.

       Wrapped in biting wind
       Hearts will never bleed
       Frozen and banished

       In their restless dreams
       They try so hard to breathe
       Pulses flutter and sting
       Within this bleakness

       Pain will come with the blade
       Pain will wake up the despondent crowd
       In this dormant world somehow
       Unsheathe a sword not to kill
       Unsheathe a sword to rend those clouds above the ground
       Wake up, it’s time to gather now
       The only warmth remains
       In hands clasped so tight
       The only fire exists
       In brave hearts
       Seasons that refuse
       To change over the years
       Will find their way back
       Back on track
       (Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh)

       We’ve made a choice, go fight against your fate!
       Pain will come with the blade
       Pain will wake up the despondent crowd
       In this dormant world somehow
       Unsheathe a sword not to kill
       Unsheathe a sword to rend those clouds above the ground
       Wake up, it’s time to gather now

       Forget about the rules
       Written on weathered rock
       There were chasers of light
       Find the way or get lost
       We have no way to know
       Where they all headed for
       See the light from afar
       Just blaze through the thorns
       We know it’s right over there
       We have something to declare
       Whatever is arriving, we’ll be prepared

       We’ve made a choice, go fight against your fate!
       Pain will come with the blade
       Pain will wake up the despondent crowd
       In this dormant world somehow
       Unsheathe a sword not to kill
       Unsheathe a sword to rend those clouds above the ground
       Wake up to hear the cheering sound

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   • You can find numbers on https://homdgcat.wiki/sr/chaos?lang=EN

     Gepard’s HP is 1,005,574
     Kafka’s HP is 1,173,170

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7. Is it possible for her to 0-cycle Aventurine in MOC?

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   • Pointless, my lord. The MoC you fight Aventurine is long already over by the time of Firefly’s release.

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     • Oh, well, good to know. I will tell Cocolia and Kafka to get lost from the current reset, since they are old bosses and can’t be reused in later resets.

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       • I will tell every time Cocolia gots a rerun, her HP is adjusted by the devs (increased for most of the time) and the Memory Turbulence is something different. When you fight the Aventurine boss again, any strategy you find for now might not apply any more.

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   • Haven’t seen one with most of the beta showcases, I kind of doubt it tho unless you have E2 since she will have to spend time breaking him first to deal dmg, the best dmg I have seen from her against Aventurine in her ideal team is just about 800k dmg within 2 turns, barely able to get 1 phase done and even if you do, not enough turn left to break / kill his last phase in that same cycle without Bronya / Robin / E2

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     • Actually I found one, but it is Crit build and very high team investment ( everyone with Eidolons and Signature ), probably not worth it
       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPg02DCM6gk

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       • Thanks. Actually, it doesn’t seem to be that hopeless even for cheaper teams.

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         • Need E1 for synergy with Bronya, if her v3 change put E1 into her base kit then yes

8. Can someone humor my thought for a minute?
   Everyone is discussing BreakFly vs FastFly but i want to introduce FastFly.
   I’ll skip all the braindead math and leave only a schizo one.

   Courtesty of kj415j45’s calculations on page 10 i will take his stats cuz lazy to count that myself.

   If Firefly with SPD boots/RM/no substats can get 136.72 SPD in battle lets discuss 190 SPD in battle w/o ultimate (+53.28 SPD from relic substats. Yes, 10+ SPD on each relic slot…)
   Also team setup is IMC/Firefly/RM/Asta cuz i dont see any other way for it to work lol
   Ult’s countdown is 90 SPD = 111.1 AV
   We need to split 111.AV in 3 values, since 1st move is “free” in terms of AV
   SPD with ult = 240 SPD = 41.7 AV
   111.1 – 41.7 = 69.4 AV for two moves

   so basically 41.7 + 34.7 + 34.7
   34.7 AV = 288.2 SPD, we need 48.2 SPD from Asta for these 2 moves to be able to reach 34.7 AV, and Asta ult gives it for exactly 2 turns
   and with that 4 turns during combustion is possible, i think

   Basically first two move after ultimate are on her own, then next 2 moves are under Asta’s ult.

   If you can snapshot Asta’s ult to be able it to last 3 turns then it becomes a little easier, but the concept is there

   How bad *bad* is it? if you can get 391.1% BE with no substats like kj415j45 said, then shes still gonna do “some” damage, but the idea of it is pretty funny
   Imo that might be able to clear MoC 12, extremely expensive (need E1 to even be able to cast enh skill that often), you would 100% need the healer’s set on someone to get SP’s at the beginning…
   But i’d better discuss that than critfly since everyone talks about it 🙂

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   • If Firefly has E1, it would better to just use Bronya. You won’t even need such unrealistic substats. Though with high speed on Bronya and DanceDanceDance Firefly would be able to get 2 extra turns.
     And even better than an extra turn in her ultimate, Bronya can significantly speed up her gaining energy for the second ultimate, which may help you to enter the second wave in the ultimate, exit your ultimate, take a turn with Firefly and then advance her with Bronya, use Firefly’s ultimate and advance Firefly’s action. Although it would require a careful speed finetuning.
     I don’t see a reason you would prefer Asta over Bronya. E2S1 Bronya may work well even with E0 Firefly.

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     • I was so hyperfixated on strictly SPD i forgot about Bronya, yeah thats a much easier/much less insane option, just build Fastnya and keep Firefly on the ~182 SPD breakpoint

       Now my rant sounds like “guys hear me out, Natasha hypercarry with E6…”

       Can only defend myself with “but bronya is in another team” lol
       My silly thinking made me look silly who wouldve thought

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   • If you got 190 SPD without Ult, then you have 240 SPD at Ult. It seems not working as it does not exceed 90*4 = 270.

     So you added Asta, who can buff Firefly with 50 SPD for 2 Turns. Now she gets 290 SPD. Let’s do some calculation here.
     10000/240=41.7 AV
     10000/290=34.5 AV

     0 AV => Ult. 1st Skill. Asta active Ult. At 290 SPD.
     34.5 AV => 2nd Skill. At 290 SPD.
     69 AV => 3rd Skill. At 240 SPD.
     110.7 AV => 4th Skill.
     111.1 AV => exit Ult.

     It does work as you expected. But I don’t think it’s worth farming relics with those insane sub-stats, especially when the expected Stats are calculated based on the brand-new relic sets. Also, you may find that the 4th Skill is at 110.7 AV. That means if you don’t have a 190 SPD, even a bit different can destroy the SPD trick. Causing at least 20-27 sub-stat wasting.

     Check out the action value trick -> https://starrail.honeyhunterworld.com/firefly-character/comment-page-10/#comment-46897
     You can do the same thing with Sparkle too! Then you can build more BE sub-stats on relics. The trick also works with Bronya or even Robin.

     However, putting Asta in Firefly’s team does have some potential, as you can break the toughness more quickly by using Asta’s skill. Nice catch.

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   • I run the numbers. You need 160 spd to have 4 moves during ulti.
     Asta with S5 dance^3 and courier set is a must.
     Assume Asta ult on the end of FF 1st enhanced turn, AP cosumptions are as follows:
     1st move: free
     2nd move: 7600/(160+92*0.1+50+52.8+92*0.12)=28.03 AP
     3rd move: 10000/(160+92*0.1+50+52.8)=36.9 AP
     4th move: 10000/(160+92*0.1+50)=45.83 AP
     Total AP 28.03+36.9+45.83=110.76<111.11

     This 160 spd does not include RM's talent. Thus you do need around 14-15 sub stats to achieve this.

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